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[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 77 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

It’s more complicated, but you can still use crowd-sourcing to recognize the ads. Then use an algo to analyze the ad, frame by frame, and reject that when it shows up.

It’ll take a bit of time, but their strategy isn’t going to last. It’s ‘arms-race’ style escalation on a digital front. Eventually, the crowd sourcing will be replaced by AI/ML tools. Ad companies, like google, will always try to fight back, but open-source will always respond.

You can’t beat nerds that are skilled and passionate about not getting fucked.

[-] andrewth09@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

Next stop: AI generated Ads.

[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 12 points 3 months ago

The game be the game, yo.

[-] HonorableScythe@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

Already happening, sort of. Google allows companies to upload sets of headlines, images, and descriptions, then Google's system mashes them together and tests them to find the best combos. It's not full AI, but considering some companies doing this are probably AI-generating the input, it's getting close. I wouldn't imagine it'll be too long until Google does it for you.

[-] Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 months ago

When programmers with ADHD/Autism get interrupted from a fixation (like a video), suppressing that interruption, even if unproductive or unimportant, becomes their new fixation.

I've been guilty of this many times, for better or worse.

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[-] Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml 70 points 3 months ago

Go to your favorite YT creator's channels and download important content! Educational content, lectures, nostalgic content. Anything and everything you have the storage for.

One day, it will be locked away behind paywalls, poisoned with ads, or just deleted entirely.

Part of preparing for war is stockpiling supplies. Buy bulk storage. An extra 2-4 TB hard drive can be bought for 100-200 dollars. It doesn't have to be fancy, get a friend or two to go in with you on it.

Download and save everything you value. Rip your physical media and save it, pirate the shows and movies you love. One day it will be locked away or stolen from you because the terms of service changed.

Please don't delay, I wish I had started years ago myself.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Just keep in mind that hard drives do not last forever. They'll last a few years of regular use, maybe up to a decade if you're lucky. Storing media on a hard drive is not like having a box of books in your basement, your kids aren't going to be able to use them in 40 years.

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[-] Player2@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

Bit outdated info on hard drive pricing, I recently bought 12TB drives for $85 each (albeit used)

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[-] onlooker@lemmy.ml 27 points 3 months ago

Suits me. I have a ton of movies and TV shows to catch up to.

[-] muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 25 points 3 months ago

Shit guess I have to quit yt and move to peer tube full time.

[-] booty@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago

It was only a matter of time before Google put their foot down and insisted that you can't have a good experience on YouTube. Its time is coming.

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[-] _sideffect@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

If it's part of the video now, doesn't that mean we can just fast forward through it?

Because if it's something explicit in the stream, then ad blockers will just look for that and we're back to where we are currently.

[-] micka190@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago

I guess they could prevent you from doing that by:

  • Creating a timestamp
  • Sending you the ad
  • Refuse to send you the rest of the stream until "Now - Timestamp >= Ad's runtime"
[-] ErilElidor@feddit.de 16 points 3 months ago

Have some browser extension play the video in the background with ads and notify me once it's done. In the meantime show some message like "bringing out the trash". Can do better things with my time than watching ads Or something to that effect.. 🤷

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[-] amotio@lemmy.world 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I have said this in another post here, as a joke, that YT can just inject the ads in the main video stream, and it would be just like cable tv where you can't skip the ad.

I swear it was a joke.

edit: spelling

[-] madcaesar@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Then I'll just start downloading videos and playing them back skipping ads.

All of the ai bullshit out there, there might actually be a good use for ai, is cutting out ads out of video.

Fuck YouTube and fuck Google.

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Adblockers can still mute and stop the user from seeing the ads with black screen (or fast forward). Advertisers will still be mad.

Yes ik they disable the video controls but the video is still served just like before, just that they inject ads into it.

[-] programmer_belch@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 3 months ago
[-] 4am@lemm.ee 11 points 3 months ago

This is why Chrome browsers wanted Manifest v3 or whatever- they took away the APIs for extensions to do stuff like that.

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[-] dodeca@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago

I've got a couple questions about this.

If the timestamp is off, how does the share link with timestamp work?

If I quit watching the video when an ad starts and then start watching it again, does it continue with the ad? I watch yt on my Samsung tv and it's an ad minefield, but it's kinda fun and easy to report the ads or quit the vid and start it again to avoid the ads. Id rather spend 30 seconds bouncing around menus than watching ads for stuff I don't use.

If it's injected video, can I just skip ahead like I do for sponsored content?

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[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 months ago

I guess no more ad-free experience in privacy-respecting clients. Well that sucks but let's hope it at least won't kill them completely

[-] SeekPie@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Oh no, please no.

Will uBlock still work or will that also break when/if this gets added?

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 33 points 3 months ago

Legally, YouTube has to tell you you're watching an ad. This means that at least visually somewhere (it could be baked into the video stream, for example), there should be a distinctive pattern that extensions should be able to grab and make the video fast-forward.

[-] sandalbucket@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

If youtube manages to stop fast forwarding, maybe at the very least we could auto-mute, and maybe overlay photos of puppies or something

[-] Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Bad idea. People would get a negative Pavlovian reaction to puppies after a while.

Imagine walking down the street, seeing a puppy and immediately getting annoyed! That's no way to live, man! 😄

[-] GolfNovemberUniform@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

As I understood the ad will be a part of the actual video file you receive but, unlike fixed sponsor integrations, the time it's shown at will change every time. That is going to be impossible to get rid of without AI unless there are some exploits

[-] fartsparkles@sh.itjust.works 22 points 3 months ago

I doubt it’ll be impossible as Google will be required by many laws around the world to make it clear if something is an advert, especially in the EU. So there will be a mechanism to know if something in the stream is an advert or not.

Adblockers should be able to adapt but I do think SponsorBlock might be stuffed if users are seeing adverts at different times in the stream.

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[-] EisFrei@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

They will also want to block people from skipping the ad. So they'll have to provide timestamps, when skipping should be blocked. Maybe those can be somehow extracted.

[-] veroxii@aussie.zone 5 points 3 months ago

That's a pretty good idea. As soon as skipping is disabled, start skipping. And stop skipping when you're allowed to skip again.

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[-] 0x2d@lemmy.ml 5 points 3 months ago

yt-dlp installs now: 📈📈📈

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 6 points 3 months ago

The concerning thing is, wouldn't this affect yt dlp too?

[-] Creosm@lemmy.world 11 points 3 months ago

My thoughts exactly, if ads are injected directly into the video stream itself now we'll be downloading videos with ads in them..

[-] toxic_cloud@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Are the ads injected in real-time or at the start of the video?

I assume it uses extra processing power to add them randomly for each user individually so if it was the latter would rapidly refreshing the page over and over again force them to completely rerun the process over again and slow their servers down? I guess I'm not entirely sure how this would work.

[-] stalfoss@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago

One of the main methods of video delivery is actually by sending a series of 2 second video clips over http. So it would not really take much processing power to insert ads in the middle, it’s not like they are having to encode video or anything.

[-] ToyDork@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago

I WILL BURN THE GOOGLEPLEX TO THE FUCKING GROUND!

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