this post was submitted on 10 Nov 2023

203 points (96.8% liked)

World News

39000 readers

2358 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world

Recommendations

How to spot Misinformation and Propaganda

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

quinten@lemmy.world

NewsAutoMod@lemmy.world

jordanlund@lemmy.world

Tenthrow@lemmy.world

little_cow@lemmy.world

lemmyAtom@lemmy.world

FlyingSquid@lemmy.world

203

China's animal lovers fight illegal cat meat trade (www.bangkokpost.com)

submitted 1 year ago by RandAlThor@lemmy.ca to c/world@lemmy.world

31 comments fedilink hide all child comments

top 31 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most people in China do not eat cat meat

Most people in China do not think they eat cat meat.

Also, when you press ctrl+c on this page you get a bunch of extra crap copied..

Please credit and share this article with others using this link:https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2682459/chinas-animal-lovers-fight-illegal-cat-meat-trade. View our policies at http://goo.gl/9HgTd and http://goo.gl/ou6Ip. © Bangkok Post PCL. All rights reserved.

Fucking slipping in zero days left right and centre, the scripts even prevent you from right clicking. This definitely a website to block 1st party scripts from.

Edit: In fairness, most people in the Western world don't think they eat horse meat. If anything could be learned from the Tesco scandal (and there certainly was no punishment) it's that the practice of substituting meat is widespread throughout the food industry. Turkey for chicken is one of my pet hates.

[–] TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Most people in China do not think they eat cat meat.

Ouch

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

Meouch

FTFY

[–] SuperJetShoes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Horse meat is common in Switzerland. There are restaurants specialising in it.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm referring to it being used as a cheap substitute in products advertised as beef or other meats. There was a scandal with Tesco products containing it.

[–] Cornucopiaofplenty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Wasn't it mostly Iceland?

Edit: the supermarket, not the country

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

I dunno, I remember Tesco being dragged through the headlines, but really it was suppliers, and some were quoted saying "everyone does it". As I see it the matter was dropped and left unresolved.

[–] pigup@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I ate bobcat once, it was nasty.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Lemmy is so toxic. Why down vote this?

Bobcats and house cats are obligate carnivores. Even if people doubt that you actually ate bobcat, I pretty much guarantee that it would be gross.

Outside of fish, where there are additional trophic levels, there are two reasons that we don't eat carnivores.

First, there are fewer carnivores. The common figure is that in nature if you want 1 pound of animal, you need 10 pounds of animal food (I'm simplifying). So 100 pounds of herbivore food makes 10 pounds of herbivore which makes 1 pound of carnivore. And if you want to farm an animal it can't be competing with you for food. It needs to, in general, eat stuff you don't want to eat. Like grass or table scraps or bugs. We can eat herbivore meat. We love it so much that whenever we showed up, we ate everything to extinction.

Cats are separate. They kinda domesticated themselves because when we started storing grain lots of rodents showed up. They just ate them, doing both of us a favor.

Second, they taste nasty. We've got poultry. They eat "bugs" those are more like the plankton type trophic level. When they can catch things like snakes or mice, they go absolutely nuts, but they do so more rarely than obligate carnivores.

Then, there's pigs. They have a similar enough diet as poultry, but we do feed them meat scraps. I can guess about why this is, but I can't be as confident as I am about my other statements.

Finally, humans are alleged to taste like pig. Maybe that's it.

[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Crossposted to lemmygrad? Oh wait, no.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What about beef and pork?

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I knew the first comment I would see when I open this post is some smartass saying “WhAtAbOuT!-“

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks! I thought I'd be that smartass.

[–] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Thanks m8

[–] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, they're ugly, they barely have any lovers. I would personally kill them for no reason, and then cook their meat 'til it's well done; so that no one can find a benefit and therefore a justification for their slaughter.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 1 year ago

I can't tell if this is satire or not

[+] sexy_peach@feddit.de -6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's natural to eat meat, I have canines. Also where should I get my B12??

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Just because something is natural does not make it the optimal or best choice. It's natural for us to shit in the woods but I don't see many people arguing we should do away with toilets. As for B12, there are plenty of vegan sources and supplements readily available

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Supplements aren't much of an answer for getting vitamins unless you can't get them normally, for example due to one's body not processing it very well from diet alone

Here's a great link to foods high in B-12.

Edit: Link fixed, now goes to the top of the article rather than the middle.

[–] nachtigall@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Unless I misinterpret your comment, doesn't the link just show fortified food that contains the same "artificial" vitamins as the supplements do?

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Not sure why the link jumps to the middle of the article but scrolling up shows foods that are naturally high in B-12

Supplements can be important and needed for some people but relying on supplements and telling others to, "just take supplements," isn't a solution to nutritional deficiencies caused by diet

Basically eating a well rounded diet should get you the nutrients you need, a doctor will be able to tell you if you're lacking in some areas and if you should take supplements to fill in some gaps

Edit: Fixed the link in my previous comment.

[–] nachtigall@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I guess the problem was that I only considered vegan options. A vegetarian diet ss certainly possible without any supplements. However, there are simply no vegan natural B12 sources. Thank you for clarifying though! :)

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm vegan I agree.

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I hate both of those arguments because they're always presented as a logical "gotcha" when in reality they're nothing but appeals to "common sense," which of course is a cultural construct and not at all "common." The B12 argument in particular I've heard from people who know someone who knows someone who heard from someone that you get "sluggish" and have "brain fog" if you go vegetarian/vegan. Aside from the hearsay nature of it, often these are people who jumped feet first into the lifestyle without doing even the most cursory and basic of research and treated it as a "diet" rather than a lifestyle shift. Of course not supplementing B12 and living off pasta and processed frozen foods and junk food will leave you feeling like shit. I've been on the path for 4 years now and have never had a single deficiency or problem. But it takes planning and understanding your body's nutritional needs, and for a lot of people that's an ask too far. Theyre happy to ignore the suffering of animals and the horrors of the insudustrial meat/dairy production system if it means not having to make the smallest of changes.

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Plain Cheerios each morning and marmite on toast (with peanut butter or in a sandwich with other things) make sure I get enough B12 without having to resort to supplements. (I'm not full vegan anymore either, just very heavily lean that direction.)

(Gross fact: gorillas and many other non-ruminant herbivores get their B12 via coprophagia.)

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you just tell me to eat shit? /s

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

lol. I mean, I guess it's an option. But if anything, by comparison, plain Cheerios and a little marmite here and there should sound like a pretty good alternative.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lol yes definitely preferring Cheerios to poop-o-phagia or whatever. Marmite on the other hand... 🤔

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It's an acquired taste. Just a little to start mixed in something else. Like a strong soy sauce flavor. You end up craving it because of how good it is for you. Some hot tea alongside makes it even better. (The marmite, btw. No idea about crap, but who knows...)

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago

I'm vegan I agree.

[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It's such a farcical argument. Along with being able to get it through a variety of foods, as you've mentioned, the supplements themselves are extremely affordable and quite easily obtainable. I supplement with the Live Conscious B12 drops once a week and at my last 6month blood test (get them regularly to ensure no vitamin deficiencies and other issues) the doc actually recommended I stop the drops since my levels were in the too high category 😆. And that's from once a week supplementation, along with just eating a diverse and nutrient rich diet as you mentioned.