It could be worse like the insurance industry. It's bad that we need tools of war, but it is not like raping you and your doctor for your health care while making the CEO and investors rich.
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Wait, will it make my body look that fit?
After I left Boeing, I made a pledge to never work for or belong to any groups that create weapons. Thankfully the X-32 failed and I got out when I did.
It's not like China is going to stop making weapons if I refuse to make weapons.
"I can't force the world to behave as I would like it, so I may as well not have morals"
Ask the dead about honour
My parents said the same thing about air pollution and carbon emissions
I suppose the difference is that a country doesn't just get conquered by force if it stops polluting.
Almost all pollution is by industries and not your parents, so...
If anything you could criticize them if they voted to keep the pollution going.
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Doesn’t make you any less responsible when the fruits of your labor are used to murder civilians.
What if I have only ever worked constructively on anti-missile defense systems?
That’s a harder question to answer and depends more on your own moral compass. Do you believe that having better defensive capabilities empowers the users of your creation to feel safe enough to do evil things? I certainly don’t think you could absolve the makers of anti-missile systems who supply militaries that are committing genocide.
Such as if Trump would start to send anti-missile systems to Russia.
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My sib has a friend that constantly criticizes others b/c they marginally contribute to injustices in the world (one example is how a family friend votes that specifically puts others at a disadvantage for affordable housing, making them commute for hours on end). That friend also worked with Purdue Pharmaceuticals defense team during their lawsuit lol
It's crazy to me how so many ppl can be so oblivious to their own hypocrisies.
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Before I went independent, I made many thousands of parts for General Dynamics up to and including missile housings. It's a shitty feeling.
Selling out being an option for people just means the system is working as intended. People are so poor they are willing to compromise their morals to keep food on the table
Every corp you work at has a dark side. Maybe not Lockheed Martin level of destruction.
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My current job, we build systems to get people to spend more for things they don't need.
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My last job, we provided technology to "free speech" folks and looked the other way unless legally obligated to take it down
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The nonprofit i worked for spent 80% of their time and energy just for funding. Like $2mil a year, and 1.6mil went to paying staff.
Sometimes jobs frame it to look like it's a positive.
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I worked at one company that "gave opportunities" to offshore engineers because they were a fraction the cost of Americans.
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Another company outsourced our graphic design to people on Fiverr to help fund "freelancers", and then repurpose the work for million dollar ad campaigns.
And for me, I just constantly think of what the line is and how much of it I can cross to feed my kids.
Very rational take. You learn entering the world that every company has a dark side, and every person has a line, but that line shifts.
Personally I'd avoid Lockheed, but when it comes to paying the mortgage, the bank is surprisingly not very amenable to me not having a job. I'd love to avoid working at any bad company, but I'd probably have to sell my house and live out of a studio, and my family would suffer for it.
So I give some graces. For example, people shame folks who work at amazon, but Amazon pays the bills. What I personally have changed to is judging people for being gung ho about a company, happy with what the company is doing, or are they just there as a job. If you're in accounting and you just loooove working for Amazon and think they do no wrong, then yes I judge a lot
I work in healthcare IT, we develop medical systems which help physicians to help people. It sounds like a good field to work in, but it's still about money in the end, looking for ways to maximise profits, because we live in a capitalist system. As long as profits play the main role, there always is a dark side.
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Raytheon too. Job offer was $$$weet, but it was related to making missiles even more efficient.
No, I don't think we need to turn brown kids into skeletons yet more efficiently, thanks.
What if you're making the missiles more accurate?
Someone else can solve that. None of us has infinite energy, so imma use what I got on what I want.
It ain't weapons, bub.
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I had a job offer from Cambridge Analytica, they were up front about the work they were doing as well as the pay. Though it was tempting to sell my soul for the pay, even I have my limits.
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