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That’s all.

EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:

Fuck Microsoft

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[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 235 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Microsoft OneDrive is the maggots in the dog shit

[–] PlantJam@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There shouldn't be worms in the poop of a healthy dog. This analogy just keeps getting better and more accurate.

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[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Oooh, I hate it so bad….. I used to click “Save” and my word document would ask to save in the only folder I save ALL my documents in. Change the name, save, so easy!

Now it asks if I want to save to OneDrive… Fuck No Mr Paperclip! I want it in the folder I always use and don’t want to have to select “Other” then dig through screens to select the thing I use every time!

[–] wasabi@lemmy.eco.br 22 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] iii@mander.xyz 184 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

That's all.

There's more: microsoft outlook is garbage

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 103 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

The new outlook has exceeded "garbage" and gone all the way to dumpster fire. It sometimes takes upwards of 15, 30 seconds to open an email. The new auto formatting is a hindrance to be overcome by tricking it to act how you want. Trying to schedule an event across timezones shits the bed half the time, resulting in improper meeting times being sent out. Absolute failure.

[–] Gork@lemm.ee 29 points 2 weeks ago

New Outlook also doesn't support Really Simple Syndication, which I used a lot with the Old Outlook.

So back to old Outlook I go.

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[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 165 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Microsoft Teams isn’t all bad! For example, it bogged down my work computer so much at start up that I would basically get an extra break.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 66 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

It temporarily deletes my meetings just before they happen, so that I don't have to attend them!

Of course, when I open it later, the meetings are restored, with the original date, and no trace of the deletion. So not attending them is quite hard to explain to others. But it does save me from attending!

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[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 126 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)

Microsoft ~~Teams~~ is dog shit

That's all.

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
Bill Gates is en route to your location 
[–] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh dear god, no, what have I done

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[–] taiyang@lemmy.world 124 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

What blows my mind is MS fucking bought Skype and somehow Teams still can't handle video calls correctly. The actual fuck did they do with that acquisition?

[–] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 64 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Skype used to be peer to peer. Your call went from you to your friend (whomever). Microsoft decided that they couldn't mitm that setup to scrape data; so, soon after they acquired Skype, they made all calls go through their servers.

Then they tried to make Skype make more money, since those servers aren't free. Then they made teams and copied half the code into that, and cludged the rest to make it hold together.

[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 56 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In mean aside from the fact that almost all of that story is completely wrong, it’s a good story.

Source: Used to work at Microsoft and worked a lot with people from the Skype team.

[–] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)
[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 96 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Skype made the call negotiation go through a central server (as does all systems nowadays). Skype was originally built on Kazaa technology to punch through firewalls without a central coordinator and that’s what Microsoft removed. They didn’t remove it to track the calling but to enable larger group calls on weaker devices which required video mixing on a central system rather than peer to peer call (where weaker peers couldn’t decode that many video streams). Calls up to 4 are still routed peer to peer if the backend can find routes through all firewalls.

Very very little of Skype was in the new Teams if anything. Teams was a rewrap of Communicator calling tech and was a response to Slack. The real time chatting had nothing to do with Skype either.

Skype lingered in Microsoft for a couple of reasons; Microsoft was crap at acquiring businesses back then, thinking that a hands off approach was best. It meant Skype never really became a proper Microsoft team - they still felt and acted like Skype employees and they didn’t manage to affect Redmond very well. Being acquired is super hard especially when almost all of the bigger business was in a different time zone and a different culture.

I was at a leadership development workshop with a tonne of Skype leaders about 10 years ago. They were still feeling incredibly frustrated and not understanding what was expected of them. It was a botched acquisition and the fault was on both sides.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How the fuck did they let motherfucking Zoom take over. The video-call equivalent of "Googling" something was to "Skype." When Covid hit, Microsoft screwed the pooch horribly.

My sister is super high ranking at Microsoft, and when she calls the family, she uses Zoom.

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[–] Magister@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Well, I'm a unix guy for 30 years and hated M$ bill gates blablabla and forced to use windows at work etc. Teams was somewhat bad at the beginning, especially start of covid pandemic , I'm using Teams multiple times daily for ~5 years now. But since ~1 year it handles video call pretty nicely, 20+ feeds, share screens, whiteboard, etc. it's pretty stable at least, don't crash anymore, and we can have multiple accounts. It took times to reach this state I agree...

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 80 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I was expecting a detailed rant, including an example or two. “That’s all” is much, much funnier.

[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 45 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Need a Explanation?

(Gestures vaguely in the air)

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[–] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 70 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

Is there a Microsoft product that isn't?

To be fair, Teams is pretty bad even for MS. I've never seen something do so relatively little and still perform so poorly. When I switched jobs and got to use Slack it was like a great fog being lifted off of my being.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 44 points 2 weeks ago (16 children)
[–] LucidNightmare@lemm.ee 55 points 2 weeks ago

You may know already, but you should try VSCodium. At least they took the Micro$hit telemetry out!

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 58 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (7 children)
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[–] spicystraw@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

Unpopular opinion: I actually like MS Teams

Look, I know this might get downvoted, but Teams is... actually fine? Yeah, it's not perfect, but it just works. The best part is that everyone and their grandma knows how to use it because it's the corporate standard around here.

I can't tell you how much time I've saved not having to do the whole "can you hear me? let me try reconnecting... oh wait try updating your browser" dance that happens with other platforms. My company recently switched to Google Meet and honestly? It's been a downgrade. Teams might not be the coolest kid on the block, but at least I'm not spending half my meetings troubleshooting audio and video issues.

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[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

"Your organization has blocked this action"

I mean this is my work phone, and I'm trying to copy a customer's phone number from a spreadsheet to the dialer, but thanks man.

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[–] wax@feddit.nu 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

The file/document integration is based on SharePoint. Shit built on top of a nice pile of manure

Edit: and don't get me started on the teams android app which requires access to all your media if you try to share a single image. If you share it as a file attachment however it's completely fine. No you're not getting access to my files and pictures MS, keep your filthy adware fingers off my data

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[–] Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 41 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

It's still better than WebEx because I don't have to log in to that piece of shit software to start a video call.

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[–] frank@sopuli.xyz 40 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

The fact that me and a coworker can't both share our screens at the same time is absolutely batshit. 1x1 collaboration isn't even reasonable, nevermind anything more

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[–] originalucifer@moist.catsweat.com 39 points 2 weeks ago (29 children)

i hate ms with every fiber of my being, but teams has gotten better. it used to be practically unusable. now its just mostly so

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Spoken like a person who isn't forced to use JIRA

[–] NegativeLookBehind@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

We have that pile of dog shit as well!

[–] KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Let us not forget confluence

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Ah, they're all crap.

Came to Teams from Slack, some upsides, some downsides. It's a corporate communication tool, I don't use it because I think it's beautiful and elegant, I use it because I get paid money to use it.

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[–] dax@feddit.org 35 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

The biggest mistake was to make it a "hub" for all sorts of other uses in my opinion. It shouldn't be browser based, it should be native and just focus on chatting and calls, that's it. It could be so much faster and intuitive.

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[–] thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

I’m so tired of web engine based apps

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[–] remon@ani.social 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

I have a Jabra Headset (now retired) that literally has a MS Teams logo on the side and is market as "Teams compatible". As you might have guessed, Teams is the only VC app were I regularly have to switch betwen inputs to get the headset to work during a call.

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[–] hypertown@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Honestly I don't know how it is even possible to make such a dog shit product. I think my first webrtc tutorial app works better than this piece of shit.

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[–] nogare97@lemm.ee 28 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Since I have not seen anyone mention this problem yet: Teams doesn't let you mute other people in a call for yourself. Obviously also no volume control per person. Imagine sitting next to your coworker in a teams meeting and having to deal with hearing them twice with like 20 ms delay. Awful.

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[–] little_tuptup@lemmy.ml 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I work in IT. I think it's popular because it's "free".

With that said, I put up a picture on the office wall of a Swiss army knife with features like syringe, fire extinguisher, axe, etc and have it labeled Microsoft Teams. Yes, it can do 100 different tasks, fucking poorly.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I keep a Teams tab and an Outlook tab opened in Firefox on Linux at work, and I feel like I have a better experience than most people using it on windows, which seems crazy.

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[–] zephorah@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I don’t care. I’ll take anything that maintains staff meetings from home. Before COVID they were 90% in person.

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[–] steeznson@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You put more effort into this post than M$ did to their product

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[–] PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 23 points 2 weeks ago

that is because theyre selling it to the business, not the end user. They dont give 2 fucks about your experience

[–] HexesofVexes@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I mean, with winter coming in, and universities not bothering to heat the building, teams turning my potato work laptop into a furnace is the only thing keeping us warm this winter...

Serious question - is their long term strategy bad optimisation to sell hardware? Do they have shares in intel or something?!?

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[–] MehBlah@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

No, no! Dogshit sometimes fertilizes and promotes growth. Microsoft teams is poison.

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[–] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 21 points 2 weeks ago

Microsoft ~~Teams~~ is dog shit

FTFY

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