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I understand the "but I like TikTok" crowd, but China bans US companies from operating in China all the time. Why is it all of a sudden a problem when we do it to them?
Facebook had less than a million users in China before it was banned in 2009. It was struggling against domestic platforms like Webo.
TikTok has 150 million active monthly users and is one of the largest social media apps in the US.
Number of users is not a valid argument on this type of debate
The fact that a counter-intelligence campaign has so many users is exactly why it needs to be banned
Where's the evidence that it's "counter intelligence" I hear a lot of completely unverified claims that sound like 1950s reds under the bed nationalist hysteria
Misinformation is counter-intelligence, lots of evidence out there, search "TikTok misinformation"
Sorry, I meant disinformation : Disinformation is a form of offensive counterintelligence via deception and neutralization in order to strategically manipulate an audience or create further fractures in existing divisions. Disinformation strategies include leaking, lying, seeding, and smearing.
TikTok doesn't have any worse misinformation and disinformation issues than YouTube and Facebook. And The latest policy changes in Facebook indicate they're going to go squarely into misinformation without any fact checking.
Disinformation is an excuse to ban the platform. Zuckerberg has been lobbying Congress for a long time to ban them while pushing his platform to be able to do exactly what he claims they're doing.
There's a lot of reasons to hate TikTok, but this disinformation stuff is nothing but red herring to get them banned because they're competition.
A. Counter-Intelligence is when you are countering intelligence gathering activities.
B. Nobody has released any evidence that TikTok is an intelligence gathering tool.
C. This law is unconstitutional by the plain text of the Constitution. SCOTUS has truly gone over the edge.
I think tiktok should probably be banned, but I think that "it's ok because the chinese government does it" is a pretty flimsy argument.
So is the argument now we should act like China? Thought this was America, land of freedom of speech or whatever.
Unironically, I think most people who are going to Red Note might think so.
It makes a lot of sense from the perspective of the US, but a lot of countries will likely have the same debate about not only TikTok, but american social media sites and their influence on their democracies now. Especially giving the timing. Not only is Xitter known to shrug off EU regulations in actively pushing disinformation campaigns but apparently Facebook and Google are joining in too now. All the while there’s a war happening in Europe right now. The EU could make the wise decision to make the same demands to those companies that the US made towards TikTok. For our own safety.
I would appreciate that, as person living in EU
Same here!
I mean, they absolutely should.
Sad how we're seeing people eager to ban software they don't use.
It's the same mentality for those who are cool with banning nicotine but not marijuana. "I don't like it, so neither should anyone else!"
Unfortunately, I don't hold you all above these accusations because I've routinely seen how immoral and selfish the masses are.
Russia and China are waging a war against the west, and we are standing with our pants down, pretending that everything is fine.
TikTok is a drop in the bucket, but we need to stand up and fight back against those who consider us their enemy.
No need to start shooting, but we should at least give Chinese corporations the same obstacles that they give US&EU ones if they want to do business in China:
Trade war*
Tiktok got banned because useful idiots perpetuated FUD that only exists to make rich Americans richer. Let me say this again for those in the back: Tiktok was only banned because the American ruling class wanted the whole pie. If you ever said or believed "national security" or "privacy" concerns without evidence, I'm sorry. You fell for propaganda.
Anyone who doesn't understand this shouldn't be taken seriously.
"It's easier to fool a man than to convince him he'd been fooled." - Mark Twain
Idk about that, but the rest sounds highly probable.
I think it's both. China does benefit from Americans' attention and The Zuck & Co. are all jumping on the wagon to push out their competitor by raising their hypocritical fingers.
Because the US is supposed to be better than China.
Better at what exactly?
Everything. 'Murican exceptionalism, baby. Fuck yeah!
Fuck yea.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5CZNlaeZAtw John Oliver will describe it best
I think he does a good job at explaining both sides and calling for a root-cause solution, but he's definitely leaving out an important piece: the data collected by all the US social media companies can't just be taken by the US government. They need reasonable causes and go through channels where their access should be checked before they can get their hands on the data. The Chinese government, on the other hand, can just compel TikTok to hand over the data they want.
I don't like the data overreach by all big us tech companies, but at least their data has some safety rails around its usage.
Because US government is weak! Trump will show'em how it is done. If Trump lets Tik Tok to continue to exist then Trump is weak!