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I'm sure the ICC is keeping a close eye on what transpires during this war. Perhaps, it's too much to ask that the perpetrators of war crimes face the consequences of their decisions.
I've noticed though that these international bodies aren't really effective at handling these types of conflicts.
Was anything done about Azerbaijan invading Armenia? Nope.
League of Nations 2.0.
Exactly, a lot of the time it just feels like the flavour of the moment. Something is better than nothing however and whataboutism isn't a valid argument against, but can be used to point out hypocrisy.
Azerbaijan didn't invade Armenia.
Sure they did. They invaded the part of Aremina that was literally inside Azerbaijan's borders, because Armenia seized it through conquest a few decades back after the USSR's collapse, and proceeded with a "population exchange".
Btw how did "population exchange" become popularized to use instead of ethnic cleansing? I genuinely don't know, but I've seen it alot lately.
I mean Azerbaijan have invaded Armenia proper in the past in skirmishes, but Armenia also invaded Azerbaijan and gained territory from it... They've also both committed genocide against each other, with the region in the news recently for Armenians being expelled/killed/leaving following Azerbaijan recapturing it only being majority Armenian due to the Azeris being expelled/killed/leaving in the 90s...
In reality it's a situation very similar to Israel/Palestine where regardless of how it started/what the "original" status of the land was, both sides are so overwhelmingly awful in their actions that there's no good guy, but of the four places mentioned only Palestine (Hamas really) has such a disdain for all people, even their own, that they stand out as worse than the others to me
People use the word war crime incorrectly so often it has no meaning.
Read the article, there was no war crime. They missed their target and this family was hit.
People have lost how shitty war is for everyone. War is awful.
People also need to learn the rules of war and stop saying everything is a war crime.
I think you need to read it again, there are multiple instances of war crimes reported.
Can you cite which one you think is a violation?
Also cite the corresponding rule you think was violated ?
Civilians getting killed is not an automatic violation of any rules.
Can't speak for him, but off the top of my head....
Article 49 of the 4th Geneva convention accords:
I don't hate Israel, in fact I think it is in America's best interest to protect our ~~spy network~~ assets. Though, I will not stand for people making misleading statements about war crimes. We can do better.
I don’t see how 49 has anything to do with air strikes.
49 is about moving people from an occupied area.
It has to do with an active warzone or areas hitherto, which Israel just declared.
Keep in mind, I am not even looking at their past, I am looking at the here and now and seeing what they are doing,
Which Hamas currently.... occupies... the southern part of Israel.
Unless Israel is just fighting civilians, then we have a whole other set of war crimes.
Are going for points on mental gymnastics?
Are you going for points by adding nothing to the discussion ? Do you think you added any value by trying to throw out a worthless quip?
In what way is there a war crime? In the article they clearly show there wasn’t a war crime.
Sure thing, here's one:
And the corresponding war crime is:
Correct.
They are also threatening to execute hostages which is also a violation.
Israel isn't exactly operating with improvised explosives. Israel is one of the most well-funded militaries in the region and has enough Western guided munitions to fend off all their neighbours.
Either Western munitions are absolute garbage or Israel is going "oopsie doopsie I totally didn't see those civilians!"
Western munitions are great but not perfect.
Israel even designed special weapons just for the occupied lands.
A good rule of thumb to remember in these situations is who are the "good" guys and who are the "baddies"
For instance, when US bombs a hospital, it is NOT a war crime. DON'T EVEN DARE to call it as such ok. 🤗🤗
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-afghanistan-msf-investigation-idUSKCN0XQ24T
It isn’t.
I think people should take some courses on war crimes. I have.
Accidentally hitting the wrong building is not a war crime. Even if that building is marked with a Red Cross.
People need to realize war is shit. It’s not a video game. People die, buildings get destroyed, and crying war crime is stupid.
We should try to avoid wars whenever it’s possible.
Maybe you weren't paying attention on the part where taking hostages is a war crime.
The conversation was around the Israelis. I am aware Hamas has committed war crimes. In the article I didn't see where Israel committed a war crime.
My original comment never explicitly called out Israel nor Hamas, and for good reason. You're the one that claimed, and I quote, "read the article, there was no war crime". The line I quoted was pulled directly from the article.
I'm sure now you will be correcting your original claim, right?
AH you're being pedantic to be pedantic. We were talking about Israel and you wanted to pretend we were talking about Hamas.
No, I will not be adjusting anything as we were clearly talking about Israel.
No, YOU were talking about Israel. My comment was "clearly" as general as I could make it. You replied to MY original comment, the onus is on you to understand the subject of my comment.
Instead of being intellectually honest about your mixup, you're re-defining the goal posts. You challenged me to find a single part in the article that would classify as a war crime and to also provide the exact war crime committed. I did exactly that, as requested.
So you don’t think the r bombing of the building was a war come? You think it’s was fine?
I do but let’s see if you’re consistent or just being pedantic like I think
Just keep moving the goal posts, that's fine. I'm not jumping through any more of your hoops. You've proven yourself as intellectually dishonest. I submitted to one of your challenges, and when I met it you just doubled down. For me, there's no point continuing this discussion after this.
I didn’t move the goal post. You’re he dishonest trying to pretend you were talking about Hamas.
You don’t want to continue because you were called out and now have to state your stance which will show you’re a house of cards.
It clear I support Israel. It’s clear you don’t. That’s fine, but don’t pretend otherwise.
If you are naive enough to think that a bombing a "jam-packed refugee camp" was an honest mistake, then I have a bridge to sell you, going very very cheap.
That is an easy way to say you never served in the military.
While movies show the military as a well-oiled machine flawless in execution, in the real world, it is functional chaos.
Mistakes happen.
Blowing up buildings and jam-packed refugee camps, knowing fully well that it'll create mass civilian casualties is a war crime. And I'd rather take the word of experts rather than a nobody over this.
Quoting from the article itself
The article quotes a previous article Human Rights Watch: Israeli war crimes apparent in Gaza war
So yeah, brush it off as "Mistakes happen" somewhere else
That isn’t a war crime.
Israel notified the area that war was starting, they told all civilians to flee. They use decision motions and notify the targets they will be hit.
Israel is going out of their way to avoid civilian loses and exceeds the standards of war.
Hamas is hiding in civilian areas which increases the chance of the civilian loses.
Israel isn’t at fault here. They’re trying to destroy legit military targets.
@wintermute_oregon mistakes don't make it not a war crime bruv
Actually it does.
Can you cite the section of the law violated?