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Hi, there have been some controversy on lemmy and in particular lemmy.ml with regards to affiliation with Putin.

I was wondering what were the point of view of the owner of Lemmy.world on the topic.

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[–] ruud@lemmy.world 94 points 1 year ago (9 children)

My political views are not important, we just have a set of rules and as long as you follow these any decent polite discussion would be possible.

I'm also not going to ban !ajax@lemmy.world just because I support a different team..

[–] AyyLMAO@exploding-heads.com 15 points 1 year ago

A very respectable stance that I believe will let communities flourish. Not just your community.

[–] mikehunt@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Thank you for being awesome.

[–] DiligentCod@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

I think no one would blame you or complain if you ban Ajax

[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

My political views are not important, we just have a set of rules and as long as you follow these any decent polite discussion would be possible.

Thank you! This is by far the best approach.

[–] ChaosAD@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

You are super awesome!!!

[–] bostondrivingisworse@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...isn't there a point at which it's not just 'politics', though? Like mass killing of civilians and genocide?

Like... C'mon. This should be an easy one.

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What politics do you hold that has never in history been associated with atrocities by its opponents.

[–] bostondrivingisworse@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not talking about history, though. I'm talking about now. These atrocities are happening now.

The fact that you tacitly admit this, but dismiss it with "well, everyone has some skeletons in their closet" is disturbing. You should rethink your priorities.

[–] cura@lemmy.world -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Will you consider defederating lemmygrad.ml?

[–] skeletorsass@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

Defederation should be a last resort when an instance is always making problems outside of itself or have illegal content. Otherwise it is better for the network to remain connected and not partitioned and for blocks and moderation to deal with problems. Respectful community members should be allowed to participate respectfully all over the network regardless of their views as long as they behave.

[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does it accomplish much? The same users can just create accounts on lemmy.ml or here.

The brigading is an issue, but defederating doesn't seem like a huge help right now.

Doesn't defederating mean posts won't show up? That seems like probably the main reason to defederate. You'll never stop people from creating new accounts or a new instance, but defederating creates friction forcing people to take an alternative route if they want to troll.

Regarding lemmygrad, has there been any trolling via alt accounts on instances that have defederated? Even if I disagree with their politics they seem generally respectful of the communities. But I've been away from Lemmy for a while so maybe I've missed something.

[–] certain_people@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Oxygen of publicity spreads toxicity. Defederation would take away a huge part of their potential to reach people, if they're being toxic.

[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It makes it harder. I doubt most people are that determined.

[–] bostondrivingisworse@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My point of view is Fuck Putin, Taiwan numbah one!

[–] nivenkos@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Do you have any evidence or sources for the supposed affiliation to Putin?

The code is under the AGPL anyway, and it isn't our instance, so it doesn't matter what the developers nor the admins of lemmy.ml do.

Keep politics in political subs.

[–] StarManta@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

What is the story with their affiliation with Putin? I haven’t heard about that

[–] Lexam@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

. ml is the country code for Mali right? Or does it mean something else here?

[–] ruud@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

I think .ml was a popular cheap domain back when they started

[–] Gerryflap@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the problem is moreso (as far as I've heard) that the owners of the lemmy.ml instance overlap with the owners of lemmygrad, which is basically the table/authoritarian commie instance. There have been some rumours about posts and comments being deleted for being critical of China/Russia. How much of that is true, I don't know,l. What I have noticed is that there is a higher percentage of tankies on Lemmy, but they're still usually down voted when they say dumb stuff.

Until China wakes up and then the communist in name only posters go off the rails downvoting criticism of modern russia or China, two countries that are the antithesis of what communism espoused.

[–] ambystoma@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, but it's only because it looks cool AFAIK, lemmy.ml is hosted in France

[–] AyyLMAO@exploding-heads.com 24 points 1 year ago

It can be interpreted as Marxism-Leninism, which I'm pretty sure both Lemmy and Lemmygrad have stated is the intention.

Also they were dirt cheap/free when the first Lemmy instances were launched. 😁

[–] Railing5132@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I think it's the Maldives...

[–] Blissingg@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sadly the top two Lemmy instances don't seem like great places. .ML is tankies and beehaw just have a look at how many instances they have blocked already. Seen this by a mod of theirs too which just screams insecure and proving the posters concerns right.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Calling lemmy.ml a bunch of tankies because they don't agree with a shaky far-right argument often used to attack the LGBTQ movement at large and don't want it on their instance is quite disingenuous. Lemmygrad is the tankie community, as it is literally the pro-Socialist instance on Lemmy.

It goes to show just how polarized online politics has become. You're either a Nazi according to the left if you don't fully agree with their views, or a Commie according to the right if you believe in anything like public healthcare or taxes.

[–] Blissingg@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Are you ok? Or just so riled up your reading comprehension has went in the bin? The photo is of beehaw, I thought that was pretty clear as they were the last instance I talked about before saying and I seen there mod respond with this before posting the image.

Check the profile out of lemmy.ml admin it’s very obvious it’s ran by tankies that have been forced to be more accommodating after their server got popular or they’d hurt its growth.

Edit: Also hilarious how you call it a shaky far-right argument and want to act like its never happened. I've seen it personally before, hell I've seen it from CIS people too more.

Can't wait to get called anti-lgbtq and a far-right Nazi from you even though its as far from the truth as you could get about my political and social leanings.

[–] Clbull@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Beehaw is more like a Tildes alternative than a Reddit alternative to me. Not gonna lie, Deimos would have probably yeeted this guy off of Tildes for a comment like that...

[–] StarManta@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What is the story with their affiliation with Putin? I haven’t heard about that

[–] hemko@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Bunch of fascists tooting kremlin propaganda

[–] brain_in_a_box@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no affiliation with Putin, it's just Blueanon people saying everyone who disagrees with them is a Russian agent.

[–] rticks@universeodon.com 1 points 1 year ago

@brain_in_a_box @StarManta

Anyone who uses blueanon IS a russian agent

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