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[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 191 points 1 year ago (12 children)

It's been 17 years since the last election. Assuming only 18 and up could vote, that means only people current around 34 and up could vote. So the bulk of Palestinians didn't even have a chance to vote in that election. Not to mention that they were given the choice between a corrupt faction (Fatah) and a possible less corrupt faction (Hamas).

[–] AdamHenry@discuss.tchncs.de 60 points 1 year ago

I am so afraid this message is getting lost. There has been a deliberate push to paint this latest incident to be the reason that neighborhoods had to be flattened and civilians slaughtered.

[–] davepleasebehave@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

why can't they hold elections?

[–] rappo@lemmy.world 54 points 1 year ago

Conveniently, the Palestinian government is denying all citizens the right to vote because those who live in Jerusalem would not be included. It helps Hamas keep power while pinning blame elsewhere.

They scheduled one for last year to get on Biden's good side, but that never happened.

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2021/1/27/palestinian-elections-democracy-for-no-one

[–] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They can. They won't.

Either they're just undemocratic, or they know that the results of elections wouldn't be what they want them to be.

[–] steakmeout@aussie.zone 13 points 1 year ago

Because Abbas is a lying, snivelling turd who pretends to care about his people.

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[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here here. At least somebody has some fucking balls. Perhaps because it's not a mess they created.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hear, hear, not here, here.

[–] tegs_terry@feddit.uk 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 64 points 1 year ago
[–] Rolder@reddthat.com 37 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Haven’t surveys shown that a majority of Palestinians support Hamas?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure but you try being killed and kicked out of your homes. I'm sure you would not like the people who are doing it either. Israel has created this mess.

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People forget Israel is the one with the power and creating this issue. If Israel actually backs off and treats Palestine as at least human, then I think (and hope) most people will see that Hamas needs to be destroyed as they are a terrorist group.

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[–] Grant_M@lemmy.ca 62 points 1 year ago

Hamas kills anyone who doesn't bow to them, including Palestinians.

[–] desconectado@lemm.ee 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean if you live in a country controlled by a terrorist group that kills anyone who is not their side, and someone goes to your door and asks if you support them... What would you say?

It's easy to dismiss this issue by thinking they have the same freedom of speech as we do in the west, and they can have political opinions without any repercussion.

Same can be said about north Korea.

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[–] AphoticDev@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas is the only group in this world standing up for the Palestinian people, so I would support them too, we're I locked up in that open air prison, my family and friends being constantly murdered for profit.

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[–] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

"Hamas" has done more for Palestinians than all the "aid" ever given by the EU.

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[–] American_Communist22@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas have done more for Palestine than anything the EU has ever done

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Hamas has supporters because they are the only one who fight. If tomorrow, Hamas disappears, there will be another group that Palestinians would support and another and another until there are no reasons for the Palestinians to resist

you don't need to like them or anything (this is not liberalism and freedom of association is not real), our morals or opinions can't stop the mechanism that is taking place in the place

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[–] wick@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Is Spain offering asylum to Palestinians? Because that's the only thing that will help those people.

[–] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 year ago

They have to be able to leave Gaza in order to receive asylum.

Gaza is pretty much an open air prison that you can't really leave all that easily.

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