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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 77 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

This is a depiction of John Rawl's "Veil of Ignorance" concept. Where to properly considered whether a society is just, you must consider that may be placed in any part of it.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 11 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I love this tool so much. It stops so much bad pop philosophy dead in its tracks.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 3 points 8 hours ago
[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 36 points 18 hours ago

That comic isn't the trolly problem though. For it to be a problem you need to give a shit about both tracks. This is just an image of the real world. :(

[–] FoolishAchilles@lemm.ee 31 points 19 hours ago
[–] letsgo2themall@lemmy.world 17 points 19 hours ago (7 children)

except the trolley takes 75ish years to kill you.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 8 hours ago

Not if we get rid of regulations and vaccines.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Not always. How many people died digging the Panama canal, or building the Hoover dam? How many ships just fucking sink with all hands each year because the company doesn't give the first two half-flaccid thrusts of an obligatory marital fuck about safety?

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

have you considered poetry? this was beautiful and picturesque

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

If you're lucky! Many die young from the prioritization of profit over public safety.

[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

That's ok, guy at the lever and the rest of his buddies are working to accelerate that process

[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 14 hours ago

Not really.

[–] DrCake@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago

The lever be slackin. Let’s get this over and done with

[–] Frozengyro@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

So like a normal lifespan?

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Something I never got about the "tied up on train tracks" trope is that the victim is never tied to anything. Can't they just wiggle out of the way?

[–] Sonor@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

i think what is going on here is making an example. This is not a moral problem with some kind of inevitability. This is an execution that is trying to make a point

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Honestly, I usually saw this alongside Wile E. Coyote style antics performed by someone literally twirling a mustache, so I was never looking for consistency!

And less charitably, the character tied rarely seemed to do more than protest delicately even when she wasn't tied...

[–] Elgenzay@lemmy.ml 17 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I always thought they were tied *to* the tracks

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

How would you even do that? Train tracks are typically flat against the ground. If you can find a picture of a person being depicted as tied to traditional tracks rather than just being tied up and laying on the tracks, I'd like to see it. I didn't find one from a quick search.

EDIT: Downvote all you want, but please show an example! I'm genuinely curious if anyone has ever shown a person tied to the tracks that makes any logistical sense.

EDIT 2: I've seen a few pictures from searching that show it is possible - I assume it depends on how packed down the planks under the tracks are - but the fact remains that the vast majority of the time, the person is show as just being tied up and laid on the tracks.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 8 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

No, they're attached to sleepers, and the whole lot sits on a bed of ballast (stones). You could easily move some stones aside and thread the rope through the gap.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Even if that's so, people are never shown tied up that way. They're always just laid onto the tracks.

[–] letsgo@lemm.ee 2 points 4 hours ago

You don't see all the rope so there could be a loop around the line behind them.

[–] grrgyle@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 hours ago

You know you've got a point…

[–] Orangutanion@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

It's to the wooden whatchamacallits orthogonal to the rails

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (2 children)

The ones flat against the ground that have been packed down by trains driving over them? I don't think you can usually get under those.

EDIT: I found a few pictures where the ropes do go underneath them - so now the question is, why are people not depicted that way 99% of the time? They're just laid onto the tracks in a way that it would be easy to get out of the way.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 9 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Because for the pacing of the scene, "wrapped with ropes" is movie shorthand for "immobilized." Most of the time, most of the audience doesn't really care about the details of the knots.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I think it's also because tying someone up that way is wildly impractical. The fact that nobody wants to show it the proper way is evidence of that.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

A bit more practical would be looping the rope under the track itself between the ties; especially if you found a viaduct or something where there is no ballast you could just loop the rope right under.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt every track is easy to find spots to do that. Snidely Whiplash would have to go out and survey all the tracks to find ideal spots, or dig holes ahead of time. That's a lot of trouble when he could just shoot them instead!

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Snidely Whiplash only needs to find a bridge, preferably one over a large ravine.

Then he just has to tie the hostage to the center of the bridge. Then when the hero makes a daring rescue Snidely can blow up the bridge.

And, like I said, the bridge won't have ballast so you don't have to dig out around the rails to tie Pettycoat McVictim town in the first place.

Ties. Those are called railroad ties.

I'm very good at wiggling