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Can't run Windows 11? Don't want to? There are surprisingly legal options

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 171 points 2 days ago (12 children)

LTSC is supported, yes, but it’s an edge case not intended for desktop (or most server) applications.

If you don’t want to move to 11, install a flavour of Linux. Don’t run LTSC.

[–] FenrirIII@lemmy.world 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There it is. Top post is always someone casually telling you to "Just install Linux."

I see your point but the correct answer is to install current branch. If you want pain and suffering, skip the appetizer and go straight to Linux.

[–] stardustsystem@lemmy.world 51 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've been using 10 LTSC for a few months now, it works great with the few Windows-only apps I still use. I mainly use it to organize my media library, but it's not had any problems with the few games I've installed with Kernel-level anti-cheat (Destiny 2, Delta Force)

I had to download the Xbox Accessories app to control my Elite controller, but that's really it.

[–] cmhe@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You might likely run into issues with GPU (and other) windows drivers, which might stop supporting old windows 10 versions. At least that happened already with LTSC/LTSB. I expect this to happen especially when ordinary windows 10 EOL is reached.

[–] MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Is that much of a big deal though? Running old GPU drivers is fine, other than maybe if you like playing the latest AAA games down the road.

I mean eventually it will be an issue, but for a long time I imagine they will work just fine.

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[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Only shit thing is a couple online games I like playing are dicks about their anti cheat and not wanting to be Linux compatible.

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[–] Maldreamer@lemmy.world 28 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I am curious as to why you think so that it's not intended for desktop applications. I don't really have a say in server applications as I don't use any such software. What I use W10 LTSC is mainly for my engineering softwares which won't work properly with WINE. All normal software that you expect to work in home version also seems to be working minus all the bloat and more control over configuration. I feel like it's the most clean version of windows that one can use now.

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[–] towelie@lemm.ee 24 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What is this disclaimer warning about? I have used LTSC exclusively as a desktop OS since 2019 and everything works. I have not had an instance of something not working that would have otherwise worked on Enterprise or Home, etc. I game in 4k, edit videos, run a jellyfin server, mine monero. I'm confused about what you mean

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[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 1 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I have so many old games and programs on my win10 PC that the amount of effort it would take to get everything back to the way it was, would almost argue for just getting a New PC and not bothering with the migration.

I know that its not based in science... but I just dont trust windows OS migration. I did it once from Vista to 7, and something messed up, and had to reformat the entire drive and fresh install, losing everything.

as for getting a new PC , hardware wise, it will cost me several thousand and will probably only be a fraction of an increase of the system I have right now. its just not worth it.

so all in all, I think Im going to just play danger zone, and ride Win10 into the digital apocalypse for a while.

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[–] huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I thought what the public health sector gonna do if they don't allow W11 in old PCs, and later I remember that in Mexico they use W7 with IE, lol. BTW I think they could use Linux, my mum was a nurse there and she only used OpenOffice and a web browser

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 day ago

Issue with healthcare IT is they cannot just upgrade willy nilly. They have to make sure that whatever computer they're changing isn't responsible for something big and they have to make sure everyone who uses it can use it. You still have some critical system PCs in hospitals that run DOS and sometimes even older.

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 56 points 2 days ago (37 children)

Why even bother at this point? Linux has become so good it's actually easier and more familiar to use than the clusterfuck that is windows 11.

[–] HC4L@lemmy.world 172 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Linux user here, I really hate this kind of bullshit. Just stick with the facts there are loads of reasons to use Windows. And for a lot of people I would still recommend Windows.

[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Another twenty plus years Linux server and devices admin and user that found last year that Linux is finally mature and stable enough to replace my desktop too without having the fiddle with it every once in a random update. It was a decision that I can accept making workarounds for legacy windows software and l can live without other eco system. Yeah, there are plenty of reasons that people are still running Windows and keep doing so.

Don't make being user of an operating system your identity, people. It's just as annoying and unnecessary as those Apple fanboys we all know and dislike.

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[–] pocker_machine@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago

Exactly. These type of comments only come from an immature POV that how they use Linux is how everyone would use Linux.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

And for a lot of people I would still recommend Windows.

Eh, only if someone needs it.

For instance my 75 year old father is happily using Linux Mint on his laptop. Why? Because all he's doing with it is web surfing, watching youtube, and checking his email. At home that's all most people are doing, especially older people. I set his up so that it backs up his stuff and auto-updates. It just works and if it does get broken I can recover it with minimal effort.

It's the same for me at home. My main PC is Linux Mint where I do almost everything. For the occasions I need Windows I have an Intel NUC attached to my KVM. For work I've got LM installed on my work laptop and when I need Win11 I have a VM setup in QEMU/KVM with it.

Are there people who have workloads, or gameloads, that only run on Windows? Sure there. We all know that.

But there are a lot of people, especially home users, who could easily run Linux and don't.

[–] Mondez@lemdro.id 10 points 1 day ago

This... It's not so much that I'd never advocate a windows install, it's that linux should be the first port of call and Windows be the specialist fallback for when Linux doesn't handle the use case well.

[–] PagPag@lemmy.world 49 points 2 days ago (13 children)

How well does Linux run Solidworks?

Oh right, it doesn’t…at all.

Linux is useful for many things but just doesn’t cut it for the majority of people reliant on single deal breaker items.

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[–] Tea@programming.dev 39 points 2 days ago (7 children)
  • To use Windows only and legacy software.
  • Some laptops don't support Linux due to missing drivers.
  • Some very old people hate change and would want to use windows 10 till the end of times, matter of fact I had seen a full office with about 5 desktops that is still running windows xp. (Spoiler alert:they got a ransomware 2 years ago.)
  • finally, Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it's kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations. In comparison, a bad Linux update could fuck your boot loader beyond repair (it happened to me twice in fact, once on openSUSE tumbleweed and the other on Clear Linux).
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it's kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations.

Are you new? Windows will barf all over itself and all your files doing regular updates. Happened to my wife's computer just recently. She has almost nothing installed on it aside from Steam and Chrome. Windows update turned itself into a hot mess, and it's a known issue. The only option was to do a completely fresh install of Windows.

Idiot proof my ass.

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[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

so end of LTSC is the year of the Linux desktop?

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 5 points 1 day ago

Any day now

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 40 points 2 days ago (35 children)

That's a weird way to spell Linux Mint

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https://massgrave.dev/ works just fine with ltsc as well and https://www.pcrf.net/ can always use more money

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