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Can't run Windows 11? Don't want to? There are surprisingly legal options

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[–] Tea@programming.dev 38 points 1 day ago (4 children)
  • To use Windows only and legacy software.
  • Some laptops don't support Linux due to missing drivers.
  • Some very old people hate change and would want to use windows 10 till the end of times, matter of fact I had seen a full office with about 5 desktops that is still running windows xp. (Spoiler alert:they got a ransomware 2 years ago.)
  • finally, Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it's kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations. In comparison, a bad Linux update could fuck your boot loader beyond repair (it happened to me twice in fact, once on openSUSE tumbleweed and the other on Clear Linux).
[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it's kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations.

Are you new? Windows will barf all over itself and all your files doing regular updates. Happened to my wife's computer just recently. She has almost nothing installed on it aside from Steam and Chrome. Windows update turned itself into a hot mess, and it's a known issue. The only option was to do a completely fresh install of Windows.

Idiot proof my ass.

[–] swelter_spark@reddthat.com 2 points 4 hours ago

I agree. I had frequent problems when I used it, which could take days to figure out, and even then might only be solved by a full reinstall. Linux has had significantly fewer problems for me, and those problems are solved much more easily. My bf is a huge Windows fan, but it seems like he's struggling with some problem he can't figure out every other month. Half a drive left as unallocated space instead of being included in a partition, causing constant "disk full" messages, was the most recent issue. On top of bad updates. I don't bother suggesting he switch, because I know he's happy with it, but Windowt definitely isn't problem-free.

[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 24 points 1 day ago

I have to disagree about the idiot proof. KDE Plasma and Mate Desktop are more idiot proof and easy for newbies than Windows 10-11, yet have more features in their simple control panels.

I've had no bootloader problems in the last 10 years of Debian, Linux Mint, and Ubuntu (15-20 installs, plus another 20-30 if you count VMs.) However, my work computer's bootloader was semi-bricked twice in 2019 (Windows 7).

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)
  • To use Windows only and legacy software.

This is a fair point. If you're a creator and need adobe software then Linux is pretty much a no go. However, a lot of windows software have Linux equivalents (and those

  • Some laptops don't support Linux due to missing drivers. are generally free as well), so its a matter of doing research.

If you pick the right distribution it may include all the drivers you need. So far I tested 5 distributions and they all worked straight out of the box. I'll test Linux on a Mac this afternoon and see how it goes, but I'm optimistic it will just work also.

Some very old people hate change and would want to use windows 10 till the end of times, matter of fact I had seen a full office with about 5 desktops that is still running windows xp. (Spoiler alert:they got a ransomware 2 years ago.)

Fine. These people who refuse to adapt to the world can just keep using windows. No skin off my nose either way.

finally, Windows is idiot proof, meaning that it's kind of hard to ruin desktop windows during the normal operations. In comparison, a bad Linux update could fuck your boot loader beyond repair (it happened to me twice in fact, once on openSUSE tumbleweed and the other on Clear Linux).

Now this "idiot proof" take is really funny. You see, I've been using Mint for about a month now, never having to log into Windows. Yesterday I needed to log into windows and was immediately met with an update (against my consent), followed by a blue screen of death and when I restarted my laptop my profile couldn't be acceded and I was instead logged into a safe Environment.

I ended up having to troubleshoot using the Registry to get my account back. If this is idiot proof I have no idea what you consider a system that just works (which is what Linux does in my experience). You'd feel like Heaven is on Earth. On another note, WiFi never autoconnected on login in on windows in my laptop, but it does on Linux.

As for the issues you had, I understand. Rolling releases aren't for everyone and if you're not particularly into tinkering or just use your laptop to browse the web, an immutable distro is pretty much unbreakable.

Otherwise, Linux Mint is very conservative so it won't break with updates (and in the rare instance that does, you can just use Timeshift to rollback the updates anyway).

[–] DJDarren@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'll test Linux on a Mac this afternoon and see how it goes, but I'm optimistic it will just work also.

I have Mint running on 2011 and 2014 Mac minis. It's basically flawless. The only trouble you might have is finding the wifi driver, depending on which model you're using. Iirc, the minis were fine, but the 2011 MacBook Pro I put it on was a little more difficult to track down. But ethernet worked right out of the box, so it wasn't a huge deal.

Linux on Apple Silicon is a trickier proposition, but getting less tricky all the time.

[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago

Sounds lovely, thank you for that feedback. I'm very excited to try. I'm gonna try to install Aurora OS (immutable) and boot from a pendrive on my wife's Mac (it has an Intel processor still, so it should be fine). If everything works well, I'm sure shell be very happy.

[–] ModestCrab@lemmy.wtf 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Windows is idiot proof

Could we at least add more idiot support to system crashes?

Windows has a QR code for you to scan, you can make a personalized recovery drive so that it restores your computer, ctrl alt delete gives you options to click on.