"Before Francis took ill in February, he criticized President Donald Trump’s mass deportation policy. 'What is built on the basis of force,' Francis warned in a letter to American bishops, 'and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly.'"
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Well, that's hardly a good excuse for pawning JD Vance off on some flunky. Seriously, popes these days...
Guys. Joe Biden is Catholic. The Vatican has an opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.
They are really unlikely to support a non cleric. All the decision makers sacrificed a lot of typical life time activities to be clerics, they aren't going to lift up sometime who hasn't also made these sacrifices.
I didn't say they would. I said they could. Jokes aside, I would be VERY surprised if old Joe got picked for this, both for the reasons you mentioned and because of the decline he's been going through recently.
For the past 600 years, the pope has always been a cardinal.
The last time someone other than a cardinal was elected was 1296, they elected some monk who was something of a holy figure. It was a clusterf*"#, lasted 5 months and every decision he made was reversed by it's successor except for one (the right for pope's to abdicate). Which kinda sounds like Bidens term in office, but let's not give him another chance at being useless, ok?
(There were some other non-cardinals after, but all of them clergy, and mostly during or shortly after the Avignon papacy)
Pope Brandon I
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Bring him back, take Trump instead
I actually saw a headline yesterday about how the Pope “ghosted” JV Dunce. 😫👻
JD Vance: "How long have you worked here?"
"Have you said Thanks, even once?"
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I am surpringly annoyed about Americans somehow finding a way to make this about themselves.
In reality I'm much more worried about the likely counterreformist pushback that is likely about to happen. We're about to find out if a remarkably powerful organization's leader was able to seed enough support to secure a politically aligned successor, and if the answer is "no" a bunch of organizations are about to get even more ruthlessly conservative at a time when a new strain of fascism is seeking moral support. The Catholic Church has been here before. It didn't go well.
"Francis appointed nearly 80% of the cardinal electors who will choose the next pope, increasing the possibility that his successor will continue his progressive policies, despite the strong pushback from traditionalists."
https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-francis-has-died-vatican-says-video-statement-2025-04-21/
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Yeah. It's more than annoying, especially as it's the same old Vance joke again and again and again. Which isn't even clever.
I am not a Christian by any means but I worked with them quite often. Francis did change a lot of things and while he wasn't in no way perfect - he did have his drawbacks, for a fucking pope he was much better than anyone before him within the last few hundred years. People (especially on the internet)nowadays expect other people, especially political leaders to "check all their boxes" and if one thing is not going as far as they want, they are alienated.
Often I have the impression that as long as someone is not going "all the way" in the right direction they are seen as bad as someone who does not do anything at all or goes in the wrong direction. (Which is ironic because the church itself has evolved past the "saint or sinner" directive)
Francis has been going in the right direction probably 60% of the way and 10% in the wrong direction. Is the Catholic church there yet? No. Is there a big chance it might turn back? Yes. Would he been elected if he was so reformist it was sure he would topple everything and go 100%? Surely not.
But he did much more than any of his predecessors did.
Any much more most commenters do.
Besides: It's okay to feel sorry for an old man dying. That's called fucking compassion. I work in healthcare and have seen a lot of people die. I feel sorry for almost all of them.
In the end a human has died. Period.
I'm entitled to not feel sorry for the unelected ruling class dying. Whether it's the queen, or it's the pope.
Both brought more misery than did good. The existance of them both were a net negative to the world.
Fuck the church.
The pope is elected in his country
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Gfdi. I'm not religious, but knowing that Catholics are going to choose a new Pope, I can only look forward to more bad news of comformity to godawful world news in the form of a shitty New Pope who inspires and empowers all the shitty people.
Great, one more thing to make the world even worse.
My sincere hope is that the Catholic Church looks at how they were perceived under Benedict—a staunchly conservative Pope that led to massive losses in respect, attendance, and relevance; and how they were perceived under Francis—an actually compassionate and humble servant of the Church and its people. And based on that, they choose another Pope who's in the same vein as Francis to continue bringing the Church into this century. There is still decades of work to be done, but we absolutely can't go backwards right now.
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There's some hope.... part of Francis' papacy involved him promoting more open-minded cardinals (who are the ones who choose popes) but we'll see
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Looks like it's time for another pope race. I would like to throw my hat in the ring. As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who's never so much as visited a seminary, I know I'm an unorthodox choice. But maybe it's time to mix things up. My central campaign planks? We're going to bring back indulgences and try to make the Papal States a thing again. Also, expect skits and improv sessions to have a big place in Catholic mass in the future!
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Any signs of plutonium poisoning?
He was the raddest pope ever. They say his coffin practically glows
The child in me kind of wishes he had passed on 4/20 Easter, but alas.
That being said, while I'm not religious I appreciate a lot (not all) of what this Pope has done. His Apostolic Exhortation on the Idolatry of Money, and the gross inequality wrought by capitalism is worth a read.
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RIP Pope Francis. Glad you put Just Dumb in his place.
He was like man this guy sucks, I don't want to live in a world where this guy has power, then dies. I feel the same dude...
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