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[–] Angry_Owl@lemmy.world 78 points 5 days ago (7 children)
[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 42 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is my theory too. He’s dead, and the administration doesn’t want to openly admit that an innocent man was murdered because of their racism.

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[–] Psythik@lemm.ee 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Dude read the fucking article and look at the pictures.

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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 199 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that man is in pieces already

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 148 points 5 days ago (4 children)

That place has literally never released a prisoner...

The place isn't huge, and lots of people get there sent there.

But no one ever comes out.

I don't think anyone can be returned from there because they put zero effort in keeping records of who is who, it's a death camp.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 42 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Wow. The prison is named Cecot. I just read a few articles on it. That place is fucked up. Was built for 20,000 people, but capacity then doubled. Like 80 people to a cell with no sheets or pillows on all metal beds. A bucket of water in each cell to drink. You eat (no meat ever served) in your crowded cell that has no chairs and the lights stay on 24/7 and you only get out of your cell 30 minutes a day. The country more or less eliminated due process a few years back. No inmates are allowed visitors or phone calls or letters. Also, no books or games or playing cards or anything that could provide any sort of entertainment. If you're supposed to go before a judge it's done over video conference call. Lot of other fucked up shit, too.

The US paid El Salvador $6,000,000 to take the 240ish people there. Like $25,000 a person.

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[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I was wondering about that. Like these people are being deported, but instead they're just in a gulag for how long.... Are they actually being repatriated to their country of origin?

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 84 points 5 days ago

for how long…

The rest of their lives...

I was being serious, they've never released a prisoner from there.

And they arrest so many people that even in the worst conditions they shouldn't be dying fast enough to make room.

It's not a gulag, it's a straight up death camp.

It's not going to take long before people start realize ICE grabbing you means certain death, and that at that point they legitimately have nothing to lose and start reacting appropriately when they're grabbed.

[–] boydster@sh.itjust.works 53 points 5 days ago

Most of the people we've (the US) sent there have not been "deported" and cannot be repatriated because they were never citizens of El Salvador. Lots were apparently Venezuelan, I guess, but I don't really know how solid of a claim even that is because it really sounds like ICE has been instructed to just grab any brown people with tattoos when they go out on their raids. The people that have been forcibly removed from the US and human trafficked into El Salvador have been kidnapped and exiled, effectively given a lifetime sentence (however short that may be) in a foreign concentration camp without any due process or means for recourse.

This shit's fucked.

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[–] Shadow@lemmy.ca 159 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Tourism makes up 11% of El Salvador's GDP.

Sounds like that should change too.

[–] BoulevardBlvd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 111 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (7 children)

I mean I guess but I'm more disturbed by the fact that they have so much tourism given the fact they've had concentration camps for years

Who the fuck was going to El Salvador?

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 49 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Latin Americans. Not United States citizens.

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[–] Ickabod@lemm.ee 113 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That dude is dead. They are hiding it

[–] Earflap@reddthat.com 28 points 5 days ago
[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 61 points 5 days ago (7 children)

Did anyone actually think they'd let him see anything? Why would they.

I'm not naive enough to think he's still alive but that's beside the point.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think he is still alive. Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.

Even if he's still alive, though, there's a 0% chance he, or anyone else Trump sends there, will ever come out of CECOT while Bukele or Trump is still in power. It would completely undermine so much about their regimes at this point. They are using CECOT as the ever present existential threat against opposition. It's supposed to be a black hole people go into and never leave. They can't let anyone out ever or it proves that people can get out. They don't want anyone to believe that is possible. They can't let anyone believe that is possible or it'll breed massive opposition in both countries.

[–] CmdrShepard42@lemm.ee 16 points 5 days ago (8 children)

Bukele made agreements with the leaders of all the major gangs in El Salvador to get them to reduce violent crime. In exchange he gave some money and concessions as to how prisoners would be treated. If it comes out that prisoners are dying in CECOT, the gangs are going to treat that as Bukele breaking their agreement and violent crime will shoot up.

This agreement makes no sense. Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?

[–] ubergeek@lemmy.today 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Nobody ever leaves CECOT alive so what are these gangs supposedly gaining by agreeing to this?

Loyalty from the gang members still inside.

Amazingly, gang leaders are very often able to operate even while in prison. And of course, there's possible hits inside of the prison system that need to be "taken care of" by members inside.

Prisons are just an extension, basically, for gang life.

I take one issue who you're replying to: Violent crime will go up, but first, there will be massive dollars on Bukake's head.

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[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 111 points 5 days ago (5 children)

When/if the judge starts arresting people involving, the charges need to be for murder. If they can prove that he's alive, the charges can be lowered to abduction and attempted murder, plus everything. Throw the fucking book at them, and find a way to make it not federal, pardonable charges.

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 57 points 5 days ago

The state attorney general can file charges at the state level. There is no way the people who snatched the guy had a valid arrest warrant. These are just Proud Boys and Oath Keepers with badges given to them by Trump for being racists.

[–] Vorticity@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago (10 children)

While I agree, who is going to do the prosecution? The DOJ is compromised.

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[–] Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago
[–] Rhoeri@lemmy.world 69 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Sadly, I don’t think he’s ever going to be seen again, I hope against hope that I am wrong, but that he is no longer alive is the only reason I can think of that would make them not only refuse to allow anyone to visit, but deny him passage home.

[–] oppy1984@lemm.ee 30 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Him being dead wouldn't be the only reason. If he's allowed back to the U.S. he'd be subject to our laws about treatment of prisoners and there's a good chance he would get word out about how bad it is in that south American concentration camp. They know they can't let that happen.

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[–] gearheart@lemm.ee 11 points 4 days ago

Dude is saying he can't be expected to smuggle him back into the u.s.

He didn't have any complaints smuggling him into El Salvador.

[–] suddenlyme@lemm.ee 60 points 5 days ago (5 children)

a lot of people here are saying he's dead, but the press aren't. Why?

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 44 points 5 days ago (19 children)

There is no press anymore, they have capitulated. All you have are recorders and interpreters that push whatever Trump wants or they get banned/prosecuted.

Standard behaviour in a Fascist regime which is what the USA became under trump

Side note: We now have confirmation that a heavily armed population providers deplorable stats on violence and school shootings while doing exactly nothing to prevent the rise of tyranny... well done USA

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[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 34 points 5 days ago (3 children)

It's just speculation, but they're saying it because nobody has ever been released from CECOT. It's not unlikely that they are just murdering the inmates and pocketing the money that the United States is giving them, or not sufficiently protecting inmates from violence between other inmates.

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[–] krakenfury@lemmy.sdf.org 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The press are broadly beholden to journalistic standards that require multiple sources to corroborate something as fact before publishing it. Us regular jack offs have no such limitations.

As to why people are speculating that he's dead? For one, the place does appear to be a literal death camp. Also, officials in the Administration have admitted he was deported "in error" (though there have been conflicting statements over this and at least one firing). Since any sane person would want to fix a mistake of this magnitude, you could see why them refusing to might make people wonder.

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[–] witchybitchy@lemm.ee 74 points 5 days ago (3 children)

what in the hell is going on

[–] Bonesince1997@lemmy.world 86 points 5 days ago

Evil is running the world, I mean, more than usual.

[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 55 points 5 days ago

Guy's probably already dead.

[–] Lucky_777@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

We have a President trafficking humans right in front of our eyes.

[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 61 points 5 days ago (7 children)

I don't understand what justification El Salvador has for keeping a man imprisoned who never broke any of their laws. Can I pay them to hold my neighbour in prison? How much does it cost?

[–] Raiderkev@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Depends, what's your neighbor look like?

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[–] drascus@sh.itjust.works 58 points 5 days ago

My guess is they are already dead

[–] Freshparsnip@lemm.ee 48 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Because he's probably dead or at least has had something happen to him they don't want getting out

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Tbh this is a less bad outcome than I was concerned this was going to have (after letting him in to the prison: “Uh oh, looks like your president thinks you’re a gang member. You can just chill here forever.”)

[–] Jaysyn@lemmy.world 38 points 5 days ago
[–] obinice@lemmy.world 31 points 5 days ago

gasp, they won't let him visit the guy that went through the death camp?

gasp

[–] Feathercrown@lemmy.world 24 points 5 days ago

He's dead. Calling it now.

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