Death the cure to all diseases : latestagecapitalism

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 50 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It may seem like this is different, but this is what all capitalism results in. This is an institutionalization of social murder. If they were not euthanizing people directly those same people would die of poverty. Especially in Canada homelessness is a death sentence. Theyd freeze to death if they didnt starve first.

Engels i think coined the term. Murder by societal neglect and denial of basic resources for survival. Canada is just so disgustingly liberal they decided the solution was to just kill them more directly because they see that as "humane". Its fucking disgusting.

[+] christian@lemmy.ml -9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 29 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No. Fuck no.

Not even bothering to make an improvement in a person's living conditions, even while the means are available, and skipping directly to killing someone is evil.

[–] christian@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It is absolutely evil, I just don't think it's worse than the US in any way other than optics.

This is a layer of transparency to the degree of societal neglect someone who chooses this option has gone through, a layer of transparency to how committed their society is to continuing that neglect. They choose this because it's not worse than what they are already going through. Removing this option without addressing the neglect is not better, it's just people dying of poverty instead.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You are wrong. I do not know what other post of yours got removed so I will go off of this one.

I understand your perspective, and why you feel the way you do, but you are extremely wrong. The reason you are wrong is that you have not considered what institutionalization of this social murder means. Where it leads.

You are buying the liberal marketing on this. "It's humane because otherwise theyd die slowly." This is simply an excuse. A way to get people to agree to the murder. It completely ignores the fact that the dying slowly part is entirely preventable.

That is not even the worst part. This is simply a step one. You do this program for awhile, and people will get used to it. Euthanasia becomes a normal thing for the liberal state to carry out, and to suggest to people. They begin to suggest it more forcefully. Until it isn't a suggestion anymore.

You are disabled, you get a letter in the mail. "Your benefits have hit their limit. Please report to X facility for end of life assistance."

You refuse, and do not go. Police come, and escort you there. "it's the humane thing to do. Otherwise you'll just end up on the street." You are killed.

Homeless people who do manage to survive on the street begin to be arrested, and given a choice. Take the injection, or go to a specialized "work center". Its you're choice. Enslavement or death. choose.

This wouldn't happen thats such a leap to take. How can you suggest we would just put people down like rabid animals? You might say.

What was the twisted logic behind doing these in the first place? That these people are a drain on state resources, and this would save money? Follow that logic to its inevitable end and this is where it leads.

Not to mention, who makes these injections? This is capitalism someones making a profit off of each time a person is euthanized this way. That someone has every reason to lobby for more injections as they benefit personally from there being more.

Lobbyists will call it the "solution to homelessness, drug addiction, and an end to suffering. A Final Solution." Oh that sounds familiar doesn't it?

Welcome to Canada.

[–] christian@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Homeless people who do manage to survive on the street begin to be arrested, and given a choice. Take the injection, or go to a specialized "work center". Its you're choice. Enslavement or death. choose.

That's the thing, that basically does happen here in the US, except without the option to choose death over enslavement. The homelessness-to-prison pipeline is a very real thing, and prisons are privatized so there's already incentive. It's already that bad here.

Your point that this would get normalized is probably right, I was thinking of it as if it's presented as a choice, it will be natural for people to ask what would compel someone to make that choice, which is what desperately needs public attention. I'll think that over.

[–] SlayGuevara@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I used to view euthanasia as highly progressive and stuff until I realized shit like this also comes with it. Not that I have anything against euthanasia, my grandma did it when she was battling incurable lung cancer, but still. There is a large grey area in which people who cannot afford to live also get the option. Basically eugenics.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago

It is a difficult subject because it incentivizes the government to unalive the elderly and heavily handicapped instead of helping them.

Combine that with the "invisible hand of the free market" and the result can get ugly quickly.

[–] FALGSConaut@hexbear.net 23 points 1 week ago

Like many things it's ruined by capitalism.

In theory I have no problem with those who have painful terminal illness choosing to go out on their own terms with peace and dignity.

In practice it's just Kkklanadian Aktion T4

[–] AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml 9 points 1 week ago

It gets worse now that it's being made available to people with disabilities and now with mental illness too. In Belgium there's precedent for people being euthanised for being for autism. Only difference from the Nazis is that at least the Hans Asperger didn't try to convince his patients they had to die.

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is coercion. The state can't provide adequate living conditions but can provide a swift death.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 week ago

Not that swift, it seems

[–] rigor@lemmygrad.ml 32 points 1 week ago

It's every stage of capitalism. The cumulative waste and suffering inflicted by capitalism might be humanities greatest tragedy.

[–] knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I explained MAID to a friend recently and they completely blew off the whole thing with impoverished people being forced into "choosing" death. "I assume it's only a few cases of that and besides, it's good that terminally ill people or people in massive chronic pain can choose to go on their own terms."

Liberalism is a death cult.

[–] Halasham@dormi.zone 9 points 1 week ago

Even if it is only a few cases that's a few instances of people dying unnecessary and preventable deaths. We just have such a sick society that it's no longer 'one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic', rather 'one death is a statistic, and a million deaths is a statistic'.

[–] darkernations@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The phrase "late stage capitalism" is deserving of the marxist eye roll.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 week ago

Late stage Fascism

[–] eatCasserole@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 1 week ago

This showed up in my feed right below "Kim Jong-un attends opening of 10,000 new apartments in Hwasong district". I was just looking at it thinking "we could really use 10,000 new apartments in Toronto."

The irony is just so stark. North Korea is supposed to be the scariest place on earth, but it's right here at home that we have "housing so unaffordable you can just die instead."

[–] Makan@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Social death.

[+] Finiteacorn@lemmygrad.ml -16 points 1 week ago

Man i fucking hate the way yall talk about this shit every single time, saying that what should actually happen is that the sate helps these people is all fine and well and even true, but that's not reality that's not gonna happen and people cant or wont wait for the left in canada to get its shit together, if maid didn't exists these people wouldn't get help they would just live in misery (enough misery that they would literally rather die) for decades or kill themselves some other less assured more painful way.

It is a good thing that maid exists even in cases like these, it doesn't feel right but it is.

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