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Bluesky has started honoring takedown requests from Turkish government (lemmy.world)

submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by boramalper@lemmy.world to c/technology@lemmy.world

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Original post: https://bsky.app/profile/ssg.dev/post/3lmuz3nr62k26

Email from Bluesky in the screenshot:

Hi there,

We are writing to inform you that we have received a formal request from a legal authority in Turkey regarding the removal of your account associated with the following handle (@carekavga.bsky.social) on Bluesky.

The legal authority has claimed that this content violates local laws in Turkey. As a result, we are required to review the request in accordance with local regulations and Bluesky's policies.

Following a thorough review, we have determined that the content in question violates local laws in Turkey, as outlined in the legal request. In compliance with these legal provisions, we have restricted access to your account for users.

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[–] index@sh.itjust.works 98 points 6 days ago

And now you know why corporations and politicians don't use mastodon

[–] VampirePenguin@midwest.social 144 points 6 days ago (17 children)

Bluesky is a for-profit company that is capitalizing on the Xodus. They may be better for the time being, but the march for more and more profit will end the same as it always does. Enshittification. They are not the good guys, the fediverse is.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 26 points 6 days ago

It was an obvious op from the beginning. You could tell by the people they were trotting out to sell it. Lots of liberal pro-authority types.

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[–] ImmersiveMatthew@sh.itjust.works 157 points 6 days ago (26 children)

Funny as I got downvoted to oblivion for saying Bluesky was not really decentralized.

[–] brot@feddit.org 37 points 6 days ago (10 children)

A decentralized service like Mastodon will have the same issues when governments are knocking on the door. The turkish government totally can force all those small turkish instance admins to defederate instances who are not reacting to legal threats. And all those small admins don't have the resources to fight a lengthy legal battle against their own government

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 48 points 6 days ago

The flip side of that is that instances large and small outside of the influence of the government can do as they please and people can use other means, like VPNs, to access them.

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago (3 children)

That's the entire point, right? Just use an instance that's in a country that's not closely allied with Turkey. Everyone knows that, right? Right?

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[–] tauren@lemm.ee 36 points 6 days ago

But they can use some other instance. With centralized platforms the issue is that they want to do business everywhere. Russia threatened to arrest Google employees in Moscow, for instance. Even without such threats, they want to have access to local markets. That isn't a concern for some instance in Ireland that is supported by donations.

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[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 304 points 1 week ago (18 children)

pardon my ignorance, but how is a de-centralized and de-federated online community bound to such annoyances?

[–] ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com 199 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They're still a corporate entity, and they still want access to markets to make money.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 62 points 1 week ago (7 children)

i think i'm conflating lemmy with bluesky. can't anyone just host an instance? is it open-source? sorry, i should probably just look into this myself.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 18 hours ago

Claims of Bsky's federatedness and decentralizedness were greatly exaggerated.

[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 123 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I think Mastodon is closer to Lemmy as a Twitter alternative over Bluesky.

However, this does a good job explaining the differences:

https://socialbee.com/blog/mastodon-vs-bluesky/

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (50 children)

Assuming you are serious:

Bluesky is ... arguably 'federated', but it is centralized, not decentralized.

https://gigazine.net/gsc_news/en/20241128-bluesky-decentralization

Their model (AT Protocol) relies on a central, authoritative ... 'Relay', that all 'federated' users and posts on federated PDS (personal data servers) must go through, to actually reach the 'AppView', ie, what all other people/users can actually see.

So, this is not a many to many, tangled spider web of connections, the way lemmy, and other parts of the actual fediverse are.

It is a top down hierarchy, a pyramid.

And Bluesky runs the Relay, the chokepoint.

If Bluesky cuts off the PDS your account is on, everyone on it is now gone.

The actual fediverse, Mastadon, Lemmy, etc, runs on ActivityPub.

In that model... every instance is essentially self contained, and every instance that is federated communicates with every other instance that is federated.

Each instance can decide what other instances they want to federate with... and users on each instance can personally block even more other users, communities, or entire instances if they choose to, but that only effects what that particular user sees.

That is what you call decentralized, approaching, or also having elements of being 'distributed'.

To bring up an example without getting into the drama that led to it:

The 'Tankie Triad' of ml, lemmygrad and hexbear have had a number of other instances defederate from them.

But, there are also a good number of instances that have not done so.

So that means if your account is on hexbear... you can't see or post on an instamce that has blocked your instance.

But, if you (a hexbear...ian?), post on a neutral instance... users on that neutral instance will see the post.

But but, if a user from an instance that has defederated from hexbear goes to to the neutral instance... they will not see the hexbearian's post.

This sounds complicated, and it is, but ... thats the whole point of a decentralized system. It is more complex in the abstract... but the entire system ends up being more robust, more adaptable, more customizable... without a central authority in direct control of the entire system.

[–] toy_boat_toy_boat@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago (4 children)

i was asking in good faith, and i can't thank you enough for providing such a thorough and effective answer.

it almost sounds like bluesky is just a baby twitter in the making, and it'll probably end up the same way. i'm really digging the actual fediverse thing, mainly because it seems to be one of the only places that money and vc bs hasn't been able to touch.

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[–] egerlach@lemmy.ca 143 points 6 days ago (30 children)

For those who don't know, Bluesky isn't really federated. The only way to host a non-Bluesky instance required 1TB of storage in July 2024, and 5 TB of storage in Nov 2024. Could be way more than that now.

You basically have to be a company to federate into the ATProto (Bluesky) ecosystem. You can't just "stand up an instance".

Lots of detail: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

(I know you've already realized that you were conflating Mastodon with Bluesky, I'm putting this here for others who come along so they can get the facts).

[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 55 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Also DMs always go through Bluesky themselves.

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[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 55 points 6 days ago

You're right that Bluesky isn't federated, but it most definitely is centralized.

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[–] cotlovan@lemm.ee 85 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Wow, all the bsky lovers are now facing the reality. None of the corpos have user's interest in mind. They only care about numbers: number of active users' data that they can sell to the highest bidder.

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[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 78 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Fake Fediverse is fake.

Fuck Turkey and fuck however they want it spelt.

[–] derin@lemmy.beru.co 27 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Re: "(...) fuck however they want it spelt."

As a Turkish person, I'm with you on this.

If the Turkish government wants you to refer to Turkey as Türkiye, then they shouldn't be allowed to call the US "Amerika Birleşik Devletleri": they should be required to pronounce it United States of America.

Let's see how they like it then, lol. "Yunayıted Sıtets af Amerika", hah.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It's also quite awkward requiring others to spell the country with letters that don't exist in most alphabets, and therefore not on commonly used keyboards.

Sure you can make use of ü and others with some international layouts, but for laypeople it's rather cumbersome.

Imagine China would suddenly require everyone spelling it as 中国， nobody would even be able pronounce it, let alone write.

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[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 25 points 5 days ago (15 children)

i don't get why this is shocking; if you do business in a country you have to follow local laws.

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[–] Cocopanda@futurology.today 65 points 6 days ago (1 children)

So. When ever I post my families genocide story as Armenians in The Ottoman empire. There’s always a Turk to call me a liar online. Then they get you banned from the sub because they have people injected into mod teams. Pretty disgusting experience. Also happened with Azerbaijani posters to. Interesting how deep they injected themselves in Reddit.

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[–] Pirata@lemm.ee 73 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (22 children)

Don't replace X with Bluesky! Go to Mastodon and other Federalised platforms. That is the only way to escape corporate-sponsored fascism.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 157 points 1 week ago (1 children)

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[–] Quintus@lemmy.ml 117 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

God damn it. People on the Turkey subreddit were running a campaign to move from X to Bluesky because X was honoring the requests of the Turkish Government to take down footage of police brutality and shit.

I and many others have told people to NOT go to Bluesky because it was "owned" by Jack Dorsey and could get bad as Twitter did.

Of course, absolutely nobody listened. Some celebrities also even moved to Bluesky (including the comedian and actor Cem Yılmaz, one of the most known amongst the people. Basically the Jim Carrey of Turkey.) And now THIS happens. Bravo.

I remember seeing some telling others to use OperaGX because a Turkish PARODY ACCOUNT of the official X account posted a meme that supports the protests. I said it's stupid to support OperaGX because of who is behind it and one of them had the balls to say "Bruh like a browser changes anything your info is everywhere"

So mind boggling.

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[–] quack@lemmy.zip 53 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

Did anyone actually expect Bluesky to be different to any other corporate-run social media platform? What was the point of jumping from one to another?

Just more proof that FOSS and proper decentralisation (yes I know that Bluesky is technically federated but this halfway house shit they’re doing is not proper decentralisation) that are the only things that will save us.

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[–] aeshna_cyanea@lemm.ee 57 points 6 days ago

https://bsky.app/profile/ssg.dev/post/3lmvrdmkdnc2d

Censorship requests from the Turkish government are only being applied in the official bluesky app. Third-party apps continue to show censored posts. Feels like that might be relevant

[–] HighFructoseLowStand@lemm.ee 31 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Watching how quickly all these companies crumble, it really is astonishing the Obama and Clinton didn't take on Fox News for all it's bullshit.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 18 points 6 days ago

Corpos aren't afraid of the Democrats. They own them.

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[–] secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.world 61 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I can't believe it! Someone who chose to use a centralized platform instead of Nostr was banned?! It's so shocking!

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[–] meldrik@lemmy.wtf 47 points 6 days ago (19 children)

If only there was a decentralised alternative, that was more or less immune to this… LOL

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[–] Wimster@lemmy.wtf 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is Bluesky the next X ??? Kissing the ring of authoritarian leaders?

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[–] PunkRockSportsFan@fanaticus.social 49 points 6 days ago (15 children)

What was the post

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[–] harrys_balzac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 6 days ago

I've been on the fence about joining Bluesky but I think I am not going to bother.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 47 points 1 week ago

But it's a decentralized service! /s

[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 23 points 6 days ago

This seems like a good place to put this meme I made a couple months ago

[–] huppakee@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Can Turkey ask for any account/post to be banned regardless of where a post was written? For example, if I were to register there and called Erdogan a dictator who suppresses the Turks by breaking down the media and justice system and he is taking political prisoners; could he then ask BlueSky to get my account removed because i'm breaking a law in Turkey even though I am not in Turkey? That sounds totally crazy. Like from now on you can make laws on your citizens, your lands and all of the internet? What the fu. e: typo

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