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[–] SomeChick@lemmy.ca 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They really do have a lot of odd rules and personal regulations for a supposedly free country

[–] neon_nova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 days ago

I learned this after moving out of the US. I live in a third world country now and I feel more free here than I ever have in the US.

One example of this is that the traffic sucks here. Like its always crawling and slow, but the flip side is that you do not feel like you are constantly being hunted by police. Sometimes, not following the rules is what makes the most sense to reduce traffic and that is completely OK here.

There are many other examples, but off the top of my head that is what I thought of.

[–] Paid_in_cheese@lemmings.world 36 points 3 days ago (2 children)

American suburbanism is truly wild. When you see how people live outside of the U.S., it's startling what we're putting up with here for the wonders of spending hours in a car every week.

It's technically against the law in my state to make a new neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA. I live in a neighborhood without an HOA because it was built before the law was passed. No one's running a tavern but we've got one neighbor who grows vegetables in a patch of their front yard. Another neighbor has a bunch of chickens and also a rooster. We're technically not allowed to have roosters but who's going to tell on them? Not me, for sure.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 days ago (7 children)

HOA truly scares me about American living. That a group of people can dictate what you can and can't do with your own house is absolutely wild. How is that home ownership?

In Canada the only real rule is don't leave your yard in disrepair.

[–] ameancow@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

It's worth mentioning that in the majority of residential neighborhoods, either they do not have HOA enforcement or the HOA is entirely optional, in that you can pay to belong to the HOA and gain benefits like access to community centers and pools, but then have to abide by guidelines.

In these places, you can ignore HOA rules if you're not interested in joining. I've greatly enjoyed telling their offended members that no, I will trim my shrubs when I feel like it, thank you very much.

There is still going to be a lot of regulations against like, turning your house into a tavern or something, but there is a little more freedom here in most places than people talk about. But it's still pretty bad and getting worse, there are more and more "master planned" communities that turn entire countrysides into oceans of rooftops in these homogeneous people hatcheries where you have to get approval to grow flowers in your yard.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Freedom \TM

[–] Droggelbecher@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

don't leave your yard in disrepair

Even that should be your own business, unless you're endangering anyone

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[–] MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 22 points 2 days ago

America is so dumb on so many levels.

[–] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (14 children)

Newer suburban housing often depresses me. You have these large, lovely homes, but they're crammed together so tightly that you could reach out of your kitchen window to turn on your neighbour's sink. The front yard is often just a strip of dry grass with a single crabapple sapling, and the back yard is a box the size of a small bathroom, devoid of both foliage and privacy from the eight other houses overlooking it, and serves largely as a box with air to place your dog in. This could be remedied if the developers weren't complete cunts and sacrificed a house or two per block to space the homes out a bit. But they can't waste an inch.

I certainly don't mean to throw shade at anyone who has purchased a home like this and enjoys living there. Everyone deserves a place to feel happy and comfortable. It just sucks that anything built in the last twenty years is erected with no privacy or quality of life in mind. It's just housebox. As long as you don't peer outside, you won't notice you're trapped in housebox. This is extremely common here in Alberta, and it's the reason my wife and I wound up buying an older home (1960s-70s) in a mature neighborhood. Most newer places we looked at felt as though they were missing a soul.

Just kind of gets to a point where the whole "detached home" thing doesn't really mean anything. May as well connect the walls into row housing and drop the price 100k.

[–] upsidedown@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Little boxes on the hillside

Little boxes made of ticky-tacky

Little boxes on the hillside

Little boxes all the same

There's a pink one and a green one

And a blue one and a yellow one

And they're all made out of ticky-tacky

And they all look just the same

[–] booly@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 days ago

May as well connect the walls into row housing and drop the price 100k.

Sorry, best I can offer is row housing that is $100k more expensive.

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[–] Snowclone@lemmy.world 139 points 4 days ago (13 children)

The answer to all questions is racism. We don't have public transportation because it became illegal to forbid African Americans access, we don't have public parks and services, because you can no longer have ''whites only'' signs up, we don't have stores in these areas because you can't stop immigrants from owning stores that whites see as 'beneath them' to work in, farming your own yard is trashy, because slaves were only allowed to farm food for themselves in small plots right next to the shacks they were allowed to sleep in, and why do we have remote single housing areas you can only access with cars that are over priced? To get away from the black people they could no longer red line to prevent living near them, and to create school districts non whites couldn't be zoned for as they were priced out of the districts, and then they adjusted school funding so it was based on land value effectively creating whites only schools with high funding. As the white racist mom in the 70s who was upset about bussing said ''if you let your kids grow up around theirs, eventually they'll all start to mix''

[–] Draegur@lemm.ee 52 points 4 days ago (9 children)

America spent so long cutting off its own nose to spite its face that it's no wonder it believes today that its shit doesn't stink.

For fucks sake why can't there be a place that's basically identical to america EXCEPT without the racism, homophobia, transphobia, and fascism. What the fuck is humanity doing, god damn.

[–] superkret@feddit.org 3 points 2 days ago

For fucks sake why can’t there be a place that’s basically identical to america EXCEPT without the racism, homophobia, transphobia, and fascism.

Because such a place would be very, very, very different from America.

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[–] epicstove@lemmy.ca 41 points 3 days ago (1 children)
  1. As a kid I would play street hockey with my friends although nowadays I don't see kids outside much. Sometimes kids are unlikely and live in an area with no other kids their age around.

  2. Yes. Lobbying by oil and car companies

  3. see above.

  4. See above.

  5. See above.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)

A lot of it also has to do with racism, and these days, people don't even know why zoning ordinances are the way they are. They can't defend them. They just assume that it's what people want and there must be some good reason for the zoning being the way it is (spoiler alert: nope, actually). This is one of the ripest, and probably lowest-hanging fruits in terms of achieving QOL improvements in North America.

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[–] rekabis@lemmy.ca 27 points 3 days ago (12 children)

My own property is being extensively reworked to produce a majority of our vegetables. We have already put about 185m² 2,000ft²) under direct cultivation in the back yard, and intend to wrap that garden around the entire property to the full 400m² (4.300ft²) available.

In the end, I don’t expect to have a single blade of grass on the property. It’ll all be flowers, fruiting trees and canes and bushes, and vegetables. All done in a modified Ruth Stout method, with a variation of flat-ground Hügelkultur thrown in.

Let’s just say that Bylaw is already pissed off with me, and I’m not even halfway done yet.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 13 points 3 days ago

Kill that lawn! Let's fucking go!

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

Fruit trees. It's the way to go. So much less work in the log run.

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[–] SandmanXC@lemmy.world 111 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (3 children)

As a non driving eastern European, living a few months in a Colorado suburb was literally one of the most depressing times of my life.

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[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 45 points 4 days ago (5 children)

The front and back yards are there to increase pervious cover. That's it.

I work in municipal development and have worked in dense areas, suburbs, and now work in an enclave for the ultra-rich (average new house is about 7 million dollars in the city where I work). Every single developer wants to level all the trees and build as much on the lot as possible with zero pervious cover anywhere, and they don't give the smallest fuck about flooding the downhill neighbors.

[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So, you guys are tearing out parking lots and removing parking minimums, right?

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[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 43 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I moved to a suburb in a country with unbearable heat yet because of how the suburbs are designed, I still walk more than when I did in the US. Everything from barbershops and grocery stores, to pharmacies and bakeries are within a 10 minute walk. Though I usually wait until night fall to do so.

[–] caboose2006@lemm.ee 15 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Sounds like the Philippines. Hell, sounds like just about every other sane place on the planet.

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[–] SektorC@discuss.tchncs.de 29 points 3 days ago

Since I found out about the neighborhood association, I've been rather suspicious of this land of the free.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 52 points 4 days ago (38 children)

Can’t grow anything but grass because they stripped off all the topsoil from the land that used to be a farm.

If you want a garden you need to buy soil

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[–] RedDoozer@lemmy.zip 30 points 4 days ago

The more resources you waste publicly, the better. It indicates that you can afford it and brag about it.

Think about jewelry, expensive purses, sneakers, flashy cars, unused lawns, Halloween/Christmas/whatever decorations, etc.

[–] priapus@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

tbf I do know many suburban families that grow a lot in their backyard, although I'm sure there are places with more strict rules around that.

otherwise very valid questions.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Land of freedom:

Can I grow potato in my own garden?

-No.

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[–] MITM0@lemmy.world 18 points 4 days ago

I am interested in the replies

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