The possibility that scares me is J D Vance and his ilk creating programs like the German lebensborn program that informed the Handmaid program in Atwood's Gilead.

The German Reich also went through a population implosion, but wanted soldiers and laborers for the cause, and so chose (young, pretty) Aryan women to bear kids?

Whose kids? High ranking SS officers usually had the option to volunteer. No, the women didn't have a say in it: It was voluntary in that they were compelled to volunteer.

So yeah, not only is it a bad time to have kids, its a bad time to have working genitals. Some women are getting sterilized, though you will struggle to find a doctor through mainstream healthcare channels; they'll try to talk you out of it.

Instead, look up witchy circles, lesbian circles, feminist circles and reproductive healthcare circles to get connected. You can also seek counciling at Planned Parenthood, and they'll set you up with a doctor.

Imagine being forced to have the child of J D Vance or Stephen Miller or Ted Cruz. That is not beyond the scope of reality now.

[–] TheRealLinga@sh.itjust.works 12 points 4 days ago

Even as a man this makes me shudder

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 60 points 5 days ago

Whenever somebody says they want to make kids or that people should make kids, I relate to Truman feeling like everybody around him is crazy and that reality is obvious.

[–] orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 52 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I’m in my 40s and decided years ago I wasn’t having kids. The decision making was based on me not wanting to saddle a kid with the same mental and social torment I’ve endured my entire life due to neurodivergence, as well as not wanting to subject them to a country with no future for the working class. I’m an only child so it all ends with me and I’m fine with it.

[–] rhadamanth_nemes@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago

I'm the same but opposite, lots of breeders in the family to pass on the depression.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 35 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I want kids. Unfortunately for the wealthy, I'm also yeeting my nuts so I get to live happy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[–] weeeeum@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can always abstain until you feel the world is right.

[–] TotallynotJessica@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago

I'm yeeting my nuts for other reasons. I wouldn't be doing it if the recent US election went the other way.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 45 points 5 days ago (5 children)

yup, my lineage ends with me. goodbye awful family name that i have to spell every time i visit a restaurant

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 5 days ago (3 children)

Who's asking for your last name every time you're going to a restaurant?

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago

Cartwright? Cartwright?

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

in france that's very standard

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 days ago (2 children)

We used to call each other by the surnames in middle school.

That is very much not standard. Everyone just did it. I didn't even remember to respond to my first name the first few weeks of high school.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago

That was my experience in most shop environments, you just start getting called by your surname.

[–] Squorlple@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

I’ve only seen that for people with similar first names as other people in a school or workplace. Then again, I was born just before the Brayden/Ayden/Mxyzptlkayden generation.

[–] josie@vegantheoryclub.org 6 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Reservations?

[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 5 days ago

Are they checking identification? Why not just say you're Abe Froman to the Maître d'?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (2 children)

You spell your last name at restaurants? First names at a busy Starbucks but…?

[–] reallykindasorta@slrpnk.net 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Isn’t it standard to give your last name for table reservations?

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

I guess I just don’t go to so many restaurants thst need reservations for it to be a big deal, and I think in the past it’s even been occasionally just a phone number. But fair enough.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 days ago

yup where i live it's customary, but also to book anything on the phone or in person, i just hate my last name

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Here's a little secret I learnt, you can just change your awful family name if you want too :3

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago

i'll get married someday and then will change my name, but that's low priority right now

[–] InputZero@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You know you can give them a fake name. I've known several people who had a go-to name for restaurant reservations or something because their last name was just too complicated or too common. No one's checking ID.

[–] morgunkorn@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 4 days ago

i started doing that and using my first name, much easier :)

[–] chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 5 days ago

The same happens with me all the time

[–] rumschlumpel@feddit.org 28 points 5 days ago

Yep that's definitely a choice I made. Uh huh, entirely voluntary, that's right.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 19 points 5 days ago (1 children)

This is basically the beginning of Idiocracy.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 20 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At least the descendants of the owners won't have a long lasting empire. They only know how to manipulate the poors into keeping the world and their quality of life going, not how to keep the world and their quality of life going.

If all you have left a inbred hicks, and you turn public education into nothing more than laborer babysitting, good luck designing your new mansion or engineering a new mega yacht.

[–] Retrograde@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

[–] relic_@lemm.ee 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Definitely seems the prevailing attitude on Lemmy, at this point if people said they WERE having kids I'd be more surprised.

[–] Zementid@feddit.nl 27 points 5 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Wanted to but got red pilled into:

financial burden = the quality of life I want to offer my child(ren) can't be reached, even compromising.
psychological damage = my ability to raise a healthy child is high but not high enough, I don't want to raise another drone like me whose self worth is coupled to their productivity in society.
ecological damage = another human
emotional damage = I would break to know my child will suffer. The rise of racism, climate change, war... I don't want to raise meat for the meat grinder.

Long story short, there are many points on the list, but at this stage I don't trust humanity with my offspring. Everything else could be sorted out.

[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

3 D
4 B

EDIT: Context.

3 D = Deny Defend Depose

4 B = 4B or 4 Nos

The four core tenets to the 4B movement are:

no sex with men
no giving birth
no dating men
no marriage with men

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 5 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4B_movement

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago (1 children)

As a man, I don't want to have kids. Can't afford them. And the future has never seemed bleaker.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The future has absolutely been bleaker in human history - but never have we had such a well informed and clear-eyed apprehension of the doom we have failed not to create for ourselves.

[–] KingThrillgore@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 days ago

Well i'm sorry to disagree with you, but the future for the West is bleak.