So Trump insists that Ukraine surrenders and Zelenskyy goes along with it I assume is what’s being said here? Now, does Ukraine give up all their land or just what the Russians have captured so they can take the rest later?
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I'd assume what they already captured. Also, I don't think they'll have any other option. At least it would be better than losing all the funding and weapons from the US and end up losing their whole country. Trump could very well throw a temper tantrum if they didn't agree on his "best deal in the history of mankind" as he might call it.
Yes, the deal might contain a freeze-frame solution for the already captured territories. They would be declared demilitarized zones (under russian administration). In addition to that, Ukraine needs to agree not to join NATO (IMO for the next 20 years or so).
It would be a net victory for Russia.
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Several social media comments I read 😊
Ukraine needs to agree not to join NATO for the next 20 years
This is just delaying the war; neither side will agree to this.
Why not? It gives Russia 20 years to subsume Ukraine, so they’ll be fine with it, and Ukraine will be given the choice of “take it or be cut off from all further funding.”
The CIA for the last 4 years has reported that Russia has neither the will nor the capability to capture and hold Ukraine. The only people who are saying it are people like you. Russia will not take all of Ukraine because it does not serve them to do so and it is not militarily feasible for them to do so.
I think Z must be playing the game: stroke Trump's ego.
Are negotiations finally happening behind the scenes? Ffs could've just done this from the beginning. Fuck boris
Why Fuck Boris?
Thanks. I'm not from the UK, I don't remember what Boris Johnson did in 2022.
I'm also curious about why they said that, but tbh, Fuck Boris (Johnson) is a fair thing to say pretty much anytime.
Hehe
Because negotiations will be bad for Ukraine, but they are forced now cause trump.
Let's not forget that Trump was the first president in history to send weapons to Ukraine. All prior presidents including Obama said it was far to provocative to do so.
Get defs correct
Congress sent wespons to ukraine.
Trump broke the law and delayed the funding in an attempt to blackmail ukraine over US election properganda.
TLDR: misleading information for people who won't scroll to read the rest
@freagle@lemmtgrad.ml: Let’s not forget that Trump was the first president in history to send weapons to Ukraine. All prior presidents including Obama said it was far to provocative to do so.
Weird choice of words, provocative refers to something that arouses a strong reaction, while escalating means to increase in intensity or scope.
U.S. officials were concerned that providing Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia.
A bit of nitpicking that doesn't matter til fact-checking the rest of your statement.
Cotton spokesperson Patrick McCann told PolitiFact that Cotton was referring to Javelins, antiarmor missiles provided by the Trump administration. In 2014, Obama rejected a request by Ukraine for those weapons.
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However, Obama’s White House approved other aid. In total, from 2014 to 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine. Under Obama, the federal government started the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which sent other kinds of U.S. military equipment to the country. From federal fiscal years 2016 to 2019, which overlap with Obama and Trump, Congress appropriated $850 million.
You're misleading people, it did send weapons just not the one that was requested at the time.
Looking at his profile it all makes sense, must be a Trump supporter in hiding wandering Lemmy posts.
TLDR: misleading information about misleading information
it did send weapons just not the one that was requested at the time.
Read your own source
Cotton’s "comment is correct in the sense that Obama never approved transfer of lethal weaponry but Trump did," said Michael O’Hanlon, senior fellow in the foreign policy program of the Brookings Institution, a think tank.
What @Freagle@lemmy.zip said is correct [edit] said wrong user lol
Looking at his profile it all makes sense, must be a Trump supporter in hiding wandering Lemmy posts.
Liberal paranoia is getting out of hand. Can't wait to see what BlueAnon candidate the dems run in 2028
Looking at his profile it all makes sense, must be a Trump supporter in hiding wandering Lemmy posts.
Anyone to the left of me is secretly to the right of me.
Your own source says Obama rejected sending weapons, but approved other non-weapon aid.
The single comment you sourced says they didn't want Ukraine's conflict with Russia to escalate.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/03/when-america-toes-moscows-line-214970/
Ukrainian leaders told me that the only action that Secretary of State Kerry and other American interlocutors took was to insist that the government in Kiev should do nothing to provoke Russia, in particular strongly urging Ukrainians not to use force
So your insistence that my word choice is nefarious is only reinforced by your anemic attempt at what you pretend is "research".
You're misleading people, it did send weapons just not the one that was requested at the time.
No. This is not accurate.
Facts First: Trump is being hyperbolic here. While the Obama administration was criticized for its refusal to provide lethal assistance to Ukraine, it did provide more than $100 million in security assistance, as well as a significant amount of defense and military equipment.
Lethal aid is weapons. Armored humvees are not weapons.
The idea that you think I'm a Trump supporter after reading my comment history is hilarious and says way more about you than it does about me.
Would love to know the logic here.
Zelenskyy is putting ego aside to try making Trump come to his senses, but never rely on headline, they may be true but also very often misleading to make people read it (rage baits and such)
End the war in Ukraine so that the US can double its war efforts in the Middle East. Is that Trump's plan?
Don't also forget about East Asia.