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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 325 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

Before, his power was checked by legislature....but now GOP has full control over the gov, and the supreme Court has 5 members nominated by Trump, soon to be 7.

Hand maidens tale seems possible. Destruction of the middle class through tariffs, union busting, tear down of heath coverage, teardown public schools, force colleges to abandon certain studies or no federal money....

Add in non stop fossil fuel promotion with drill baby drill attitudes, tear down NOAA and the nhc because strong hurricane news reinforces climate change.

I guarantee in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor instead of holding an election.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

in 4 years Trump will try to name a successor

That would require the narcissist to not think he's still young and vibrant and will never die. He will go the same way his father did, being manipulated by the worst around him as he drifts into dementia. He will be propped up as a puppet as Reagan was.

[–] Evil_incarnate@lemm.ee 56 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

He could postpone the election if America is at war.

"We have always been at war with Eastasia"

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 77 points 2 weeks ago

tear down NOAA

Fuuuccckkkk.... Add to the list of things I forgot... The AccuWeather guy is about to become even more wealthy....

The billionaire class are the only winners of this election, but then again when aren't they the winner? Money is literally power.

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[–] tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 222 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

I have spent all day crying and drafting escape plans since my life is now in extreme danger. I'm a Latina immigrant, trans, and drag-adjacent performer

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 113 points 2 weeks ago

Good luck and I wish you the safest journey to somewhere safe as possible.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 35 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

If you’re in a blue state you will be much safer. If you’re not, see if you can relocate to one even if that means you sleep on someone’s couch for a while. I wish you the best.

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[–] illi@lemm.ee 31 points 2 weeks ago

I wish you luck and safety.

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[–] Limonene@lemmy.world 191 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Pretty fucked, but not as fucked as Ukraine, Palestine, Lebanon, or Taiwan.

NATO will be fucked for a while if the US withdraws, but other NATO countries may ramp up military spending over time.

This situation is a worldwide danger. The US is/was a world power, it has/had the largest national economy in the world, it has the largest military in the world.

Previously, we could be concerned that democratic countries (including the US) weren't putting enough pressure on authoritarian countries (like Russia, China, and North Korea) to improve. Now we have to worry that the US will actually become a fully authoritarian country, like Russia or China.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 60 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

On the bright side... the rest of the world is realizing that being reliant on one country for military power and maintaining stability was a terrible idea. The UN and NATO only have power if the countries are willing to enforce those decisions, and if the US doesn't, there isn't really a comparable backup option. The US military was always the elephant in the room keeping things generally less extreme just by its existence and not reacting impulsively.

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[–] Sanctus@lemmy.world 133 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

Extremely, tarrifs will erase the middle class. All regulations will be repealed allowing even more corporate power and influence. We're about to experience the Gilded Age on crack mixed with the burning hells of our mother Earth scorned.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 2 weeks ago

They're done with the middle class here. They don't want to raise the poverty level worldwide, they want to bring us down to match the rest of the world. It's strip-mining time, we're too expensive for the international rich's tastes.

[–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

Time to stock up on the automatic rifles they want us all to have so much, and learn carpentry to build some guillotines.

Maybe the French will help us again, they've got some experience with this.

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[–] _bcron_@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Tariffs will not only erase the middle class but also erase our topsoil like it's 1924 all over again if farmers aren't subsidized and everything is left to go fallow. In terms of dollars we're pretty even in terms of agricultural imports and exports, but in terms of acreage... We push a shitload of soy, corn, and wheat. We're more than a little fucked in lots of ways if we're hit with retaliatory tariffs, but the biggest one is if farmers don't have any reason to plant crops and don't have any money to do it, we're doomed for dustbowl days.

Don't even get me started on water, fluoride is one thing but if they start removing a lot of other stuff like phosphate and permanganate the entire country's municipal water supply will be as bad as Flint MI.

I'm hoping Trump doesn't pull off 95% of the stuff he talked about due to unbridled incompetence because if he still manages to pull off 80% of it we're gonna be fucked

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[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 86 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Let me put it this way: we will see the true beginning of WW3 in the Baltics. Trump will predictably not act upon that and the response will be 100% up to Europe itself.

That response better be an armed one, and quick too, or we all better start practicing cyrillic here in W-europe.

Regardless if we are lucky, "only" tens of thousands will die. More likely it will be millions.

So yeah, Trump kinda bedazzled us there, no way around it. Won't be until the people who voted him in will start hurting personally that they'll finally realize they've been conned. But too little too late.

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[–] futatorius@lemm.ee 78 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

Some people are going to die-- mostly women. More people are going to have their lives turned upside-down, especially immigrants and ethnic and sexual minorities. Many immigrants, even legal ones, are going to be expelled. Corporations are going to run wild as regulation is abandoned. People are going to be bankrupted by predatory healthcare firms at a much higher rate than now. Every form of corporate pollution, adulteration, cheating and chicanery will be tolerated. The judiciary will be further corrupted. The US will not only withdraw from NATO, but will try to shut it down. Ukraine will be handed to Putin on a platter. Taiwan, the Baltics, Moldova and Poland will be left to fend for themselves. The ethnic cleansing in Gaza will transition even further to a full-scale genocide. Every aspect of government will be handed to corrupt, incompetent fanatics: kakistocracy all the way down. The impartiality of the civil service will be destroyed and the 19th-century spoils system reinstated. Social Security will be privatized and gutted. Obamacare will be eliminated. Congress will hold show trials of Trump's perceived enemies. Terrorist acts and sabotage of critical infrastructure will massively increase, and the clampdowns that follow will be used to further degrade what few rights we still have.

But at least you won't have Kamala's pantsuit to complain about.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 64 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

One of the biggest things is that the "deep state", an innocuous thing turned into a convenient boogeyman by trump, will be quietly destroyed. This is the thing that actually keep your mail arriving, your food edible and your children's toys not coated in lead. The "deep state", meaning actual subject matter experts doing their jobs throughout entire government for years, regardless of current administration, are all going to be replaced by kid rock and vaping young republicans fresh from dropping out of their second semester in at The University of Southern Alabama State.

That's who's going to be the dude inspecting your meat for e.coli and signing off on the clinical trials for your perception meds - Gunner, Hunter and Ryder.

Really don't think anyone is considering the reality of how deeply fucked we're going to be as we're all fixed fully on the front door for obvious signs of trouble (immediate societal decay), while these broken cartoon villains fill the crawlspace with fertilizer and gasoline and kick in the backdoor with flamethrowers in hand.

We're fucked, and we're going to be focused on monitoring the wrong indicators of how fucked, until it is just beyond any repair within any of our lifetimes. For example, you're going to have FIVE fundamentally broken people on the Supreme Court for the rest of your life. It's over.

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[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 56 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

anywhere from not really, to literally world war 3.

trump is a loose cannon.

We do not win here.

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[–] ByteOnBikes@slrpnk.net 52 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

The US will continue ticking. Money keeps flowing, and greed will continue running rampant.

As someone making bank and based on the projections, the Trump tax changes are going to pay well. Anyone making less than $100k, or living off of social security or retirement are going to really suffer.

The Trump tax breaks are going to fund a future international trip. And poor folks will starve.

Btw I voted for Kamala. And America voted for a old dude who struggles to form sentences.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 51 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Between 2017 and 2021, things got pretty bad. Riots, wars, a plague, economic crash, and it ended with a mob breaking into the nation's capital and trashing the place.

Can't imagine a repeat will be better.

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 35 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That was with moderates and non-partisan civil servants playing interference on his worst ideas.

You remember everything that came out about how people would ignore his orders until he forgot?

None of those people will be there

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[–] DeLacue@lemmy.world 45 points 2 weeks ago (22 children)

Multiple regulatory bodies are going to get disbanded. The EPA is unlikely to survive, whole departments of the FDA are about to get gutted. Anything involving industrial safety is going to get its funding cut. Unconstitutional crackdowns on free and independent media is almost certain. Large scale damage to the functions of many government institutions can be expected. Massive economic damage due to reckless deregulation ( that's even before they start putting tariffs on everything and wind up in multiple simultaneous trade wars). Funding for education and infrastructure maintenance will be reduced to allow tax cuts for the already wealthy. Massive loss of global influence and a massive gain in influence by hostile autocratic nations is also something you can expect.

I could go on and on but even if you were to assume they weren't serious about project 2025 (if you haven't read that you should) it's real bad.

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[–] shoulderoforion@fedia.io 45 points 2 weeks ago

The US? pretty fucking fucked. The World, so fucked it has no idea how truly fucking fucked it is yet.

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Weirdly, it depends on how honest Trump is.

If he forgets about everything he talked at any part of the campaign, and just decide to maximize his tranquility during his term, not as bad as if he decides to keep his promises.

[–] Rogue@feddit.uk 32 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm hoping he just focuses on enriching himself. Clearing his convictions and then lining his pockets with more NFTs and corruption. That'll keep him sufficiently occupied to not fuck too much with the lives of everyday people.

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[–] scala@lemmy.ml 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm more scared of the JD Vance than Trump. He's much worse

[–] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I’m worried about this too. It wouldn’t be surprising if Trump dies in the next four years. Vance is not qualified for the job. He’s smarter than Trump though so scheming would be much worse.

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[–] 1SimpleTailor@startrek.website 40 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Fucked regardless but how fucked remains to be seen. Just as before, Trump will spend his presidency golfing, what really matters are his cabinet picks. Best case scenario is that just like 2016-2020 in-fighting and general incompetence make the administration a revolving door and keep the Christian Nationalist from realizing their darkest ambitions. Worst Case is that the Fascist have learned from their mistakes. I also think Trump either dying or being forced to step down (with a pardon of course) is a possibility that is on the table. Vance is a much more competent Fascist and this is definitely a worst case scenario.

Regardless, I think there are a few things that are guaranteed to happen:

  • The dismantling of much of the Federal Government. Starve the Beast will finally come to fuition. The Department of Eduction, the FDA, The EPA, ect will become toothless if not entirely abolished. De-regulation will bring us back to early 20th century levels of consumer protection and quality control. Read "The Jungle" to get an idea. Public Health is going to tank dramatically.
  • The little safety net Americans have will be pulled out from under them. Workers will be entirely beholden to their employers. The price of most consumer goods will surge, bankruptcy from healthcare cost will skyrocket, and homelessness will become even more common. Homelessness will become completely criminalized and the % of the American population imprisoned will make today's prison population look small.
  • The police and surveillance state will be expanded dramatically with the intent of targeting undesirables. Immigrants will be deported, while Trans people and political dissidents will be labeled as sexual criminals and will be eliminated. As time marches on more groups will be targets for the state. People around you will simply disappear sometimes, victims of secret police.
  • An increase in media censorship by morality police. Pornography will be banned, and using that vague label media critical of the regime or expressing ideas against the regimes interest will be censored.
  • The US will pull out of NATO and pursue a policy of isolation. Authoritarian and expansionist regimes around the world will be allowed to pursue their interests unchecked.
  • A general brain-drain as educated people with the means to do so flee to Canada or Europe. As time passes it is likely that emigration from America will be made more difficult by the state, effectively stranding people here who didn't get out soon enough.
  • We will completely miss the window to do anything to avoid the worst-case scenarios for climate change. So it's not just America that's fucked here.

Smoke em while you got em, it's about to get rough for everyone. We are in the death throes of the Neo-Liberal world order. Buy a firearm and get a vpn. Keep your vehicle as fueled as you can, and if you are able keep a sizable amount of cash stored somewhere safe. There's never been a better time to go vegan and get in shape. Do what you can for the people you care about.

[–] SharkEatingBreakfast@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

I can't leave.

I have a child with an abusive, vindictive ex-spouse. Regardless of me having sole custody, I would still need to get both the court's permission and his permission just to move out of state, so god knows I will not be able to get out of the country.

I'm at a loss. I will not leave without my kid.

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[–] pelley@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)
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[–] yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 35 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

100% fucked, the USA is now going to join WW3 on the side of the bad guys and get rid of vaccines and the EPA and ACA and so many other things

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[–] rsuri@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

We should remember that most Americans still live in blue states with sane governments. The federal government can't just barge in and do whatever it wants, and if tries to do so, the social contract that binds the nation together is broken and secession becomes a real possibility. But that's unlikely because Trump is far too clueless to know about any of the problems he'll run into if he tries to implement any of his plans.

Which is fine for him because it was always a con anyway. He talks and acts out of his ass. What he will do is anyone's guess, but it'll at least be restrained by what's realistically possible.

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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Honestly who knows, it's literally on the whims of the giant toddler and who he listens to last that afternoon.

[–] bluestribute@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Prices on everything will go up exponentially while income comes down. Worker protections won't exist and the people in charge of your health, whether food, medical, other goods, will only care about which company gives them a bigger check.

Remember how baby food had to be recalled recently because it was unsafe to feed babies? That ain't happening anymore! Fuck the babies! And if you can't afford your $4k/month rent, to prison with you (because homelessness will be illegal and prison labour cheap cheap cheap!)

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[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (4 children)

Luckily the House of representatives have set up the rules such that they can call to change their majority leader whenever they disagree with each other, so very few actual policies will change. They might even fail to pass their own tax plan again, that would be nice.

What is fucked is USA's allies depending on support from NATO, USA's economy as Tariff season is here now, USA immigrants, and of course the Environment. Last time Trump was in he removed protections for forests and streams, and put a Coal Lobbyist in charge of the EPA.

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[–] franklin@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The world is fucked. A climate change denier was elected to one of the most influential countries and we're already past mitigating some of the worst effects. There is no coming back.

[–] prime_number_314159@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Trump was pretty ineffective in his first term, largely because he did a terrible job of supporting people who really agreed with his agenda, and an even worse job of removing people from influential positions who didn't.

He said during his campaign that he knew much better who to trust, but now he's got Elon Musk and RFK Jr. prominently featured. I don't think he has learned anything, and I think he will be just as ineffective this time.

It's possible that some of the Republicans in Congress will support more of his agenda, but even there if they have to overcome the filibuster, I don't think mass deportation, a federal abortion ban, or most of the rest of the potential worst of it is in the cards.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Breathtakingly fucked. Wannabe dictator with a mandate from the dumbest mfers alive.

But take heart. The battle for the US is now a fight between the old guard Reaganite Republicans and the out&out Fascists. For the next 4 years at least the Dems are a complete non-factor. I hope the DNC is proud of their accomplishment.

All the worst possible things that could happen are now not just on the table but incredibly likely.

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[–] johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago

Even if trump doesn't do everything in project 2025, the supreme court picks mean we're basically ultra fucked. Like, that's best case.

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