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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 144 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The continuing American embargo on Cuba after the Cold War has always been toddler tantrum level of pettiness.

I thought Obama had finally closed that chapter, but I was wrong.

[–] Mereo@lemmy.ca 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Obama had started. But Trump reversed.

[–] Karjalan@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago

This was so fucked up. I know presidents shouldn't be able to set things in stone, but it shouldn't be so easy for a petty president to just undo the all last ones things just cause they're a thin skinned bitch

[–] Gullible@sh.itjust.works 67 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Well, the world certainly understands that the US holds a grudge. But Castro is dead. Feels a bit silly at this point

[–] ms_lane@lemmy.world 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

From everything I've read over time - it's not even the US that holds a grudge, it's been popular on both sides of politics to end the embargo.

But neither will since it means losing the massive voting bloc of Cuban-Americans in Florida, Florida itself often being a decider of US elections. They don't want the embargo to end and anyone who supports ending it losses their vote.

Their reasons seem to vary, from the worst being wealthy land owners who had their lands taken by Castro only wanting relations normalised if they get their land back to the more common escapees who don't want to normalise relations with the 'Castro government' ever, that Cuba needs to ditch the regime first.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 36 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Florida hasn't been a swing state in years, and it's not like Cuban Americans are ever going to vote Democrat regardless.

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[–] sweetpotato@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Silly and grudge are very interesting terms to describe an illegal embargo that brings millions in the brink of starvation and poverty.

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[–] tiredturtle@lemmy.ml 55 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

looks like impunity

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 50 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (16 children)

This is the only map I can find where Israel disagrees with the US.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 31 points 1 week ago

Why is Israel voting against itself

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Ah, the cracker index chart

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago

Less so that they disagree and more so that it would damage their propaganda potential too much

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 43 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I used to believe that the Cuba embargo is due to Cuban refugee vote in Florida.

But that doesn't make sense anymore given that Florida is no longer a swing state. In fact it never really made sense since the demo that is very pro-embargo has always been solidly Republican and therefore unwinnable.

So what really explains the embargo? Quite frankly I think it's banana republic foreign policy and wealthy people in the US not wanting there to be a successful socialist state. For instance, the recent energy crisis in Cuba is driven by the Biden administration sanctioning oil tankers who visit the island. Why on earth would the supposedly pro-Cuba democrats do that? Who asked them to do that? Who had the clout to make them do that? Some losers in Florida who were going to vote for Trump in a red state anyway?

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is correct, the US takes the threat of a good example very seriously, and has meddled in every single attempt at building any state, not only communist ones, that refuse to be controlled by US capitalists.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

NGL kinda shocked that the CIA wasn't involved with the Argentine junta.

EDIT: It was! Your map needs more red on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Argentine_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

[–] lemmyrolinga@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 week ago

"Do you know why there has never been a coup in America? Because there is no US Embassy there! "

Old joke from down here

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago

What a stupid policy.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 week ago

Axis of evil.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Embarrassing country to live within, but Hitler talk and our genocidal crusaders state make us the evil of greater proportions now.

[–] fedev@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

It's also a shame that Argentina, while it voted in favor, actually wanted to vote against.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgl4y6w2r33o

Not surprising because:

https://apnews.com/article/milei-judaism-hezbollah-israel-hamas-war-netanyahu-d8831369a6bc8a96205d4080d2b2045b

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just imagine if the UN had teeth for enforcement, at least for overwhelming votes like this. I feel like its one of the biggest oversights of the post WWII order they tried to make.

Big countries, of course, would never allow that, but still.

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[–] RubicTopaz@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago
[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 week ago

welcome to the rules based world order that yankeestan is peddling

[–] KammicRelief@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago (6 children)

Wtf are those colors, jfc... How bout a hand for us colorblinds.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 week ago (2 children)
[–] AlpacaChariot@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

So much better, thanks!

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[–] INHALE_VEGETABLES@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago

blockade /blŏ-kād′/ noun

The isolation of a nation, area, city, or harbor by hostile ships or forces in order to prevent the entrance and exit of traffic and commerce. 

The forces used to effect this isolation.

The shutting up of a place by troops or ships, with the purpose of preventing ingress or egress, or the reception of supplies.

"the blockade of the ports of an enemy"
[–] gnutrino@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The author needs to learn the difference between a blockade and an embargo. Cuba hasn't been under blockade since the end of the missile crisis.

[–] Alsephina@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's very much a blockade in practice since it prevents the vast majority of companies of any country from trading with Cuba.

There are very few companies that would survive competition by sacrificing trade with the nearby US to trade with Cuba instead the way the "embargo" forces them to.

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[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 19 points 1 week ago

An embargo would imply its just America that can't trade with Cuba. In reality, almost nobody can trade with Cuba, because any ship that does cannot enter American ports to trade with America.

It may not be a blockade by the dictionary definition, but it's certainly not just an embargo.

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