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Since its surprise incursion into Russia more than a week ago, Ukraine has steadily gained ground, saying it advanced even deeper into Russian territory on Wednesday. It says it has captured hundreds of soldiers, as Russia has evacuated more than 130,000 people from nearby communities and declared a new state of emergency in one region.

And now Moscow has begun withdrawing some troops from Ukraine in an effort to repel Kyiv’s offensive into western Russia, according to U.S. and Ukrainian officials, an indication that the surprise attack is forcing Moscow to change its battle plans in Ukraine.

Taken collectively, Ukraine has deftly put Russia on the defensive, creating a new, if small, frontline in a war where Moscow has long had the upper hand. If Russia brings reinforcements in large numbers from other parts of the front, it could provide some relief to Ukrainian troops who are struggling to push back relentless Russian attacks, particularly in eastern Ukraine.

It is an edge that Ukraine appears intent on keeping, as its eyes, for now, holding the Russian territory it controls.

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[-] Icalasari@fedia.io 38 points 1 month ago

That also implies they are starting to run low on numbers, right? That Russia's main edge of overwhelm with numbers is blunted at this point?

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 54 points 1 month ago

The fact that they started conning people from India and Cuba and sending prisoners to the front line didn't give it away?

[-] pmmeyourseedbombs@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 month ago

That’s just good business

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 15 points 1 month ago

Are we all a bit surprised by the success of this offensive? Including Ukraine and Russia?

I don't understand what Ukraines plan is here. What if Russia just lets them have it? I mean it's clear Ukraine doesn't want it, it's just tactical.

[-] olafurp@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago

One of Putin's main support comes from his "Keep Russians safe" narrative. It's also diplomatic currency in case they start negotiating peace

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website -2 points 1 month ago

For sure it's a blow to putin and his image, but is it substantial or just wishful thinking?

What if hypothetically, it's no problem for Putin? Wouldn't Russia just let them have whatever they took, make a "surovikin line" there and let Ukraine deal with all the issues that come with invasion and dealing with the local population. Not to mention there will at some point come questions from the western partners about this occupation.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

It would be political and most likely literal suicide for Putin to do that.

[-] NoiseColor@startrek.website 1 points 1 month ago

Might be, but now they are literally building trenches there.

[-] HK65@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

They have to if they don't want to lose more. They are on the defensive, it's normal to build trenches.

[-] Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's several benefits:

  1. They draw Russian troops from the front lines in Ukraine to counter the attack.
  2. Russia now has to dedicate manpower and equipment to defending their entire border with Ukraine to avoid another attack like this.
  3. If Ukraine maintains the territory, it's a huge bargaining chip at the peace negotiating table. Before this, the only way they were going to get their territory back was by taking it back forcefully. Now they can negotiate a trade.
  4. Best case, this is like the Tet offensive and sours support for Putin and the war within Russia, likely because Putin will need another wave of conscription to meet the manpower needs of 1 & 2.
[-] Gsus4@mander.xyz 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I mean, if the russians refuse to trade territory in the end, a good chunk of Belgorod oblast will be useful to keep Kharkiv further from russia if they try anything again.

[-] Ordo_Bellatores@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Best case scenario, they end up in Moscow.

More realistically, they draw troops ment for offensive operations into defending these regions. This relieves pressure for Ukraine to take back territory elsewhere. I heard they were targeting specific airbases, but I can't confirm It's relatively low risk, with several potentially good rewards.

[-] Delta_V@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Is it clear? Seems profitable to own that clay - the pipeline infrastructure connects Asian oil with European markets, and whoever controls it can charge rent and leverage favors. For example, back in the day when Russia used to own it, they tried using it to extort the EU, begging for ridiculous concessions and threatening to shut down the pipeline if their silly demands aren't met.

[-] Michal@programming.dev 2 points 1 month ago

Russia won't just let them have it because then Ukraine can start expanding into Russian territory and if Putin lets them do that, soon Moscovites will be saying "Slava Ukraini".

[-] Hazzia@infosec.pub 14 points 1 month ago

Heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

Heeheeheeheeheeheeheeheeheehee

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 13 points 1 month ago

The outraged tones of the Russian dorks' statements are so funny to me.

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Russians are like conservatives; every accusation is an admission.

[-] YaDownWitCPP@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Y Ukraine gotta be making things so hard for Mr. Putin?

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