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[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 271 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mozilla chose to waste most of it.

[–] ptz@dubvee.org 205 points 3 months ago (21 children)

Right? I don't need AI BS. I just want a solid browser.

[–] nichtburningturtle@feddit.org 98 points 3 months ago

What do you mean, you don't want an opt-out ad tracker?

[–] li10@feddit.uk 38 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I kinda get why they (and other companies) have to try AI at the moment though.

It’s not what people claim it is, but it could end up being an essential tool for the modern world, and if they don’t invest in it early their business might end up getting left behind.

We’ve certainly seen companies fall because they’ve not tried to stay on the cutting edge before.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 62 points 3 months ago (2 children)

We’ve certainly seen companies fall because they’ve not tried to stay on the cutting edge before

Best example I can think of is Kodak and digital cameras. They invented it then sat on it until it was too late because they didn't want to cut into their film scam.

[–] gibmiser@lemmy.world 41 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sears. They got wrecked by the internet.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sears had a massive mail order catalog. Easy to switch that to Internet, right? But they decided to focus on stores.

[–] 4am@lemm.ee 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

It’s quite unbelievable that it was literally right there. The logistics were like 60% solved for them already, the remaining 40% was just making sure the online content remained linked with inventory and fulfillment, and expanding that capacity.

“We think online shopping will be just a fad” - the unimaginable hubris…

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[–] magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 27 points 3 months ago

Nokia. They were at the top before iPhone. They couldn’t catch up with smart phones at all.

I believe Intel will be another potential example, but we’ll see about that.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 244 points 3 months ago (14 children)

Maybe that's not bad for firefox.

Maybe less money means less ridiculous side projects and just focus on delivering a good browser.

Algo the lack of google as financial support means they'll rely more on donations, which would mean that they really need to focus on offering a good browser.

I'll gladly donate to firefox if I would see they are really focusing on it.

[–] TehBamski@lemmy.world 169 points 3 months ago (8 children)
[–] Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 61 points 3 months ago (5 children)

I donate around 5 dollars to Wikipedia every month. Another 5 to Mozilla isn't an issue for me.

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[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 55 points 3 months ago

I donate to lemmy and mastodon instances. As I do believe they are using my money for good things.

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 24 points 3 months ago

I have donated in the past while still living in a third world country. I stopped when I realized how my donation was squandered.

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[–] SankaraStone@lemmy.world 80 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

Mozilla (not Google) got rid of the side projects, increased the CEO's salary, and laid off a bunch of employees during the pandemic. It basically got rid of the innovation that could have made Firefox a faster, more secure, and pleasant experience. Rust and Rust-based Servo, as a replacement for Gecko, were two of those side projects. These are the things Mozilla needs to invest in.

Also, I think Mozilla needs to ask the user upon install what the default search engine should be from a list of search engines including Google, Duck Duck Go, Bing, and Yahoo. Maybe the order of those could be arranged based on how much they're able to finagle from the search engines.

The real monopoly is their control over Chrome. That's what they should be forced to split from the company that owns the search engine. Development and design of Chrome should not and cannot be done by the company that runs the search engine and gets its revenue from ads.

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[–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 155 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Maybe they can stop paying their CEO 7 million per year

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 65 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That CEO quit earlier this year.

[–] acutfjg@feddit.nl 111 points 3 months ago (38 children)

Maybe they can stop paying the next CEO 7 million

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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 33 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they can stop fiddling around with A I.

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[–] _edge@discuss.tchncs.de 137 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • Mozilla will take money from Microsoft
  • Firefox gets Office 365, Exchange, and Azure AD integration
  • Netflix partners with Microsoft for advanced HD and DRM
  • Microsoft and Mozilla partner to deliver Microsoft-enhanced Firefox for Windows
  • ActiveX 2.0
[–] quinkin@lemmy.world 49 points 3 months ago

I upvoted you but I wasn't happy about it.

[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 42 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • Firefox requires an account to use
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[–] db2@lemmy.world 97 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Mozilla chose a stupid business model. 🤷

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 139 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (10 children)

They’ve undoubtedly been preparing for this day in some capacity. If they didn’t and collapse then yes they chose a stupid business model. But until that happens I think this is a premature statement.

It is shocking to me how many people on Lemmy hate Firefox, which is basically the only real non-chromium alternative that most people can use with minimal compromises. So many people hate Google here yet y’all seem to hate the only viable competitor even more. It’s bizarre to me.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 108 points 3 months ago (3 children)

It is shocking to me how many people on Lemmy hate Firefox

Although some people are Google fanbois or reactionary dumbasses, I think most of what you're misinterpreting as "Firefox hate" is actually love for Firefox and hate for what Mozilla has done to it.

Most Firefox-critics' feelings towards it are more like this:

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 44 points 3 months ago

Love the browser, hate the corpos desperately trying to fuck it up because that's the cool thing to do to your software now days.

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[–] Thrashy@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Consider that many of the same people think of Arch as a viable daily driver distro for the everyman. Some folks are more accepting of jank than others.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 3 months ago

Those are just people who forgot what it was like to not be confident/super knowledgeable with computers and have lost the ability to talk about how to help “the average” user.

[–] HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com 23 points 3 months ago (5 children)

this does mystify me. only time I nearly dropped firefox was when they did the big change that broke add ons but firefox with the addons I like is the best browser for me. nothing they have done has been consequentially bad. philosophically maybe but the actual effect is not bad compared to any other options.

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[–] Emerald@lemmy.world 72 points 3 months ago

Meh. It's just Monopoly money /j

[–] datelmd5sum@lemmy.world 47 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I hope Mozilla put most of that Google money into index funds or something. At least it didn't go into paying the developers.

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[–] LostWanderer@lemmynsfw.com 35 points 3 months ago (23 children)

Oh for fun! I don't want Mozilla to go down, Firefox is one of the few non-Chromium web browsers; I'm glad that Google is pronounced as a monopoly, as it is true. However, for every good thing, there is a terrible curse that shows how much our system needs to be changed. It will be so heartening to not have Apple using Google Search by default, as the results are fucking shit. They could survive the lack of Investor Daddy's cash.

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[–] baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 31 points 3 months ago

If tech giants such as Google cannot be broken up, then their services should be required to be compatible and all data exportable to competitors. See the EFFʼs “Competitive Compatibility” concept. Buy a movie off Google's YouTube but Google misbehaves? It must be exportable to a market competitor that you do support. Don't like how Google handles your email? You should be able to switch your email address to a competitor just like you can change phone companies without losing your phone number.

Basically, if the US Federal government cannot discipline monopolies by breaking them up directly, they should break up the moats and walled gardens the monopolies built to keep customers locked in to maintain their monopolies. See Chokepoint Capitalism by Rebecca Giblin and Cory Doctorow.

[–] FearfulSalad@ttrpg.network 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

In my utopia, Google would be forced to continue to pay out the current annual contract sum, at a decreasing percentage every year, for some number of years, to all affected companies, giving them the opportunity to divest and pivot.

The root problem doesn't get fixed if the company with enough money to be a monopolist still has the money when this is "resolved."

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[–] Melody@lemmy.one 23 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Firefox; being open source as it is; is not in danger.

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