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[–] theluddite@lemmy.ml 40 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I wish we had less selection, in general. My family lives in Spain, and I've also lived in France. This is just my observation, but American grocery stores clearly emphasize always having a consistent variety, whereas my Spanish family expects to eat higher quality produce seasonally. I suspect that this is a symptom of a wider problem, not the cause, but American groceries are just fucking awful by comparison, and so much more expensive too.

[–] berryjam@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

What I would give for an actual fresh greengrocer πŸ˜”

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[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 25 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I feel like this thread is going really be β€œavailable in your part of the US.”

Grocery stores and populations are pretty varied across the US. What you can easily get in a San Francisco, Manhattan, or Boise grocery store can differ quite a bit.

[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Sure but there's also tons of produce that has a low shelf life or doesn't travel well (e.g. bruises easily) so you don't find it anywhere except right where it's grown.

e.g. I live where Pawpaws grow. I've never even found a whole one because they perish so fast.

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[–] xkforce@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (4 children)

The original intent was to learn about fruits and veggies that most americans would be unaware of or dont have access to eg. brazilian grapes, ube, drumstick, adzuki beans etc. but good point.

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[–] anon6789@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Bananas other than the Cavendish and a greater variety of potatoes. There are supposed to be so many varieties of each out there, but we only get one banana and 3 or 4 potatoes.

The cherimoya is also pretty good from what I remember, so I would like to have that again for >$5.

[–] Blackout@kbin.run 5 points 5 months ago

The variety of bananas in Vietnam was great. I was going to put that here since they are impossible to import quickly enough.

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[–] DrSleepless@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I have a hard time finding black currant

[–] Humanius@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Isn't blackcurrant illegal in the US? I remember hearing that somewhere anyway.
Such a shame, cassis (blackcurrant soda) makes for such a tasty drink.

[–] tal@lemmy.today 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

You can order blackcurrant drinks online, as well as getting extract.

googles

It sounds like the problem was that they could host a fungus that affected other plants, but it's been allowed on a state-by-state basis for some decades after they found a resistant variant.

https://www.grunge.com/879107/heres-why-blackcurrant-was-banned-in-the-us-for-over-50-years/

By the end of the 19th century, farmers noticed that blackcurrants had introduced an invasive species called blister fungus that killed white pine trees, per Business Insider. The fungus solely spreads through blackcurrants rather than from pine tree to pine tree. That means the U.S. was faced with a choice at the time: blackcurrants or the white pine. With national forests highly valued for the timber industry sales used to develop the U.S. as we know it, they chose to protect the white pine.

In the early 20th century, the U.S. government made it illegal to farm blackcurrants and put forth resources to eradicate all Ribes plants from the environment, according to Business Insider. Interestingly, European agriculture met this fungus long ago when it was introduced in blackcurrant plants, but they didn't rely on white pine as fiercely as the U.S., and the "white pine was sacrificed to retain the Ribes," according to "History of White Pine Blister Rust Control: A Personal Account."

Blackcurrants come back

After more than half a century, scientists discovered a new variant of blackcurrant that was resistant to the fungal disease that threatened the white pine. Without the threat to the timber industry, the U.S. government "left it up to the states to lift the ban" blackcurrants in 1966 (via Cornell University). It wasn't until 2003 when New York, where blackcurrants were most heavily produced in the late 19th century, became the first state to uplift the blackcurrant ban in the continental U.S. Since then, some other states like Connecticut and Vermont have also rescinded their bans. But neighboring Massachusetts and Maine (or "The Pine Tree" state) are some of the many other states in which such bans remain (per AHS Gardening, Mass.gov).

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[–] folekaule@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Yes! As a Scandinavian living in the US: I would love to see black currant, red currant, and gooseberries in my grocery store.

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[–] Nemo@midwest.social 14 points 5 months ago (6 children)

You can't import yuzu fruits or plants. All the yuzu in the US is descended from the 100 original plants imported before it was made illegal.

But really, I want soft cheeses...

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[–] sxan@midwest.social 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I've heard rumors that, while we see two kinds of mango in the US, there are many more varietals in India, and they're all better. I'd like to have access to some of those; mangoes rock.

[–] IMALlama@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I suspect this is like our tomatoes. The tomatos you buy in stores were cultivated to be pretty, to get harvested by a machine, and to ship without getting damaged. Meanwhile, heirloom tomatoes will split their skin on a humid day, but they pack a ton more flavor in. The same is true for the vast majority of our fruit and veg. Actually ripened on plant produce doesn't have a very long shelf life.

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[–] Veraxus@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

All those different kinds of banana. All we get is cabendish which is, like, the worst of all the amazing banana varieties.

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 9 points 5 months ago

It’s the red delicious of the banana world

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[–] nightofmichelinstars@sopuli.xyz 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] scoobford@lemmy.zip 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Apricots. They're available, but they're always shitty.

I'd kill for apricots like you can get in the EU. Cheaper than here and they were delicious, not mealy and bland.

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[–] lqdrchrd@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

I rarely see leeks, and when I do, they’re extremely expensive. Such a versatile vegetable that I wish more Americans knew about!

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Where do you live where leeks are not common? Speaking for California here, they’re a common grocery store item.

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[–] Infynis@midwest.social 5 points 5 months ago

They grow naturally where I live. Not the giant ones like Farfetch'd carries, but when I was a kid, I loved digging them up in the woods and just eating them raw lol

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[–] astanix@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Strawberries that taste like they did 10+ years ago?

[–] ouRKaoS@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago (8 children)

When I was a kid in the 80's there was a place my Grandmother used to take us to that had hay rides to take you out into their strawberry fields where you'd pick your own berries and pay like 50Β’ per pound.

Good memories.

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[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

Strawberries are so easy to grow that they are almost invasive.

If you leave them alone, they will overtake whatever is near them.

Each strawberry plant I have sends off multiple runners, with multiple nodes per runner.

It is a very high exponential growth rate.

You can start with 4 and have over 100 in 2 years.

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[–] Deconceptualist@lemm.ee 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Fruits from the genus Garcinia (mangosteen, achacha, and related). They're supposedly some of the best tasting fruit ever, but very hard to find in the US aside from specialty growers in Cali or Miami.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Cumquats. We can get them here, but I rarely see them. What could be better than a little orange you can eat like a grape?

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 11 points 5 months ago

I think you meant kumquats, your version may be creamier though. ;P

[–] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)
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[–] HipsterTenZero@dormi.zone 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

the Gros Michel banana. I never had the chance to try one before they were wiped out.

edit: and the Hua Moa banana, because it looks silly

[–] shottymcb@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'll tack on apple bananas. They're tiny and taste like an apple and a banana had babies.

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[–] athos77@kbin.social 8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Freshly cut hearts of palm.

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[–] daltotron@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Huckleberries. I never see them as a commonly available thing in stores, eaten alongside things like bananas, which sucks, because bananas are some plant grown like a thousand miles away and I can go outside and go gather my own huckleberries if I wanted. It should be really easy, I live in an area where they grow.

So, that, but also just more broadly I kind of think that after learning enough about different regional botany, we've both crippled basically every ecosystem with a bunch of invasive species, we've crushed the human experience into a very narrow square set of experiences which includes the biodiversity that you can see around wherever you are, and we've made food worse. Because we're not using local plants for our food, you see, we're just using a bunch of generic ingredients that are sort of unnaturally made out to be universal across entire hemispheres, maybe even across the globe. No regional variation outside of specialty goods, only Mcdonald's.

The thread's gonna be against this opinion broadly, I think, but there's not like, it's not just the huckleberry, you understand, there's a lot more out there that you don't know about, both edible and not.

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[–] berryjam@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (19 children)
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[–] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] Blackout@kbin.run 13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Best I can do is fart on a cantaloupe. Take it or leave it.

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[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

My favorite type of apple is Jazz. It's less-sweet than the Honeycrisp, which tends to be more-widely-available.

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[–] whotookkarl@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Huckleberry but apparently they are really difficult to farm.

[–] downdaemon@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago

I’ll be your huckleberry

[–] krowbear@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Persimmons. I know they're available at least in the bay area because I had them when I lived there briefly, but have never found them in my regular home in the pacific northwest. I also don't remember them as a kid growing up in Tennessee.

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[–] ObsidianZed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I always wanted to try the cashew fruit ever since I discovered it was a fruit.

Allegedly it's too juicy and fragile to import.

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[–] pmw@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

Fresh bamboo shoots.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

I'm Canadian but for some reason you never see tangerines anymore. Plenty of other citrus but not tangerines

I also would like to see pink and red fleshed apples in the store. And pawpaws. I sometimes get some from my local farmer friend and they are SO good but hard to come by.

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