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You left out the part where they pay someone else $200 to be told how they are supposedly going to avoid paying that $50.

Exactly. Every time I read one of these I get the impression they are trying really hard to say the right incantation of non-sensical legalese that will make creditors go away.

That's exactly how I think of their logic, they genuinely believe language is magic, and if they say the right combination of crazy things, they get free stuff.

An eye of newt is actually a mustard seed. This isn’t terribly helpful, but there ya go.

I love this observation lol

T Mobile definitely gets a lot of sovcit abuse.

I imagine “wins” are sprinkled into the group to foster enough survivorship bias to avoid most of them using the critical thinking that they don’t have.

I ran a small business because I had time to waste. The first thing you learn is how to deal with non-payment. While in this country it’s pretty “simple” to send a letter of demand and then go to tribunal, it’s a huge waste of time. I imagine plenty of people just decide “fuck this, this person is clearly a sad enough individual as is” and don’t bother following up. Especially if your legal system is iffy in regards to civil matters. How anyone think this will work on corporations who have lawyers and accountants though is beyond me.

I also am curious about this. Makes me wonder if they're so low IQ that they take it all the way to collections and beyond. I suspect taking responsibility isn't exactly in their vocabulary.

They cling to this like shit to a bear's fur. Nothing deters them.

I have zero doubt they have an answer.

If they're true believers and as honest as they are delusional, they would probably accept it, and take your "payment" as "proof" that others should accept it as well.

They would shit their pants with rage and go red in the face screaming at you to pay them now because they are all giant hypocrites?

Don’t know about US but if people don’t pay in the agreed time here (learn what contracts are, and their proper structure if you run a business, trust) you send a “letter of demand” which translates to “I’m sending you letter because it’s required before I take you to civil court”. If they still don’t pay, believe it or not, straight to tribunal aka civil court.

"uh, which body are you going to use to prosecute the state?"

The problem with gold is that it has a lot of value and these people don’t want to part with anything valuable. These forms cost almost nothing. So their bias towards not wanting to give away something of value helps them maintain their cognitive dissonance.

Sometimes they do send in pieces of silver as payment for a house.

The whole aim is to get away with never paying bills with anything.

The version of sovcit... ideology? lore? that I've seen goes something like:

• Because reasons, any time a US citizen gives birth, the US government is obligated to open a bank account at the federal reserve with $1 million in it, and keep paying interest into these accounts over time
• However, the way the law is worded only "natural persons" are allowed to access their account, and by signing your birth certificate you are actually a "corporate entity", not a person
• If you do these things and fill out these forms with these exact words and file them in this exact way and sign it with a blood fingerprint you can declare yourself not a corporate entity but a natural person, and access your account
• The federal reserve won't just let you withdraw cash from your account, but if you send a letter to someone who you owe a debt with this specific language on it, they can forward that to the federal reserve who will pay the debt on your behalf

Obviously this is all nonsense.

I'm imagining they are trying to pay their phone bill with one of these magic letters, and is surprised that whatever under paid corporate drone is running the collections team at T Mobile isn't in on the super secret conspiracy that only they are smart enough to uncover

Magic words

Better Call Saul when he gets out of prison.

Has anyone made a comedy about SovCits yet? Seems like a perfect concept.

Yeah they were pretty good, but I was most of r/AmIBeingDetained until Reddit banned me, so you get all the good shit here