I get what you're saying, but communities that spend time together will form their inside jokes, their way of doing things, etc. If you don't like it you don't have to participate. I say this with the upmost respect, but you need to get over yourself. Nobody is forcing you into a community.
totes agree on that ish
the dumb shit is what makes it feel like a community or friends getting together. if its not that its a college message board for assignments
Glad to see one of the first posts I see on here is whining about how other people post. Starting to feel like home already.
Just need the people complaining about people complaining post followed by a rule baning complaining about people. Then we can get the golden meta post of complaining about the rule stopping you from complaining about people.
When do we get to complain that some people here didn't like something before, but some people now like that thing? Surely soon.
So you're saying we should encourage people to not comment and participate because you personally don't enjoy something?
I know I'm being a bit over the top with the wording there but lets really think about it for a moment. Participation is engagement. And if we want Lemmy and by extension Lemmy.World to grow its what we need.
I upvoted you. Its a valid discussion to have. I just personally don't think its something we should be worried about in general.
Let Lemmy grow. Growth and low effort pun threads is not what killed reddit. Corporate interference and shit stirring controversy spewing algorithms in the name of "user engagement" is what drove reddit down the drain.
This right here. Puns aren't what was bad, it was the endless doomscrolling habit and continuous outrage going on that was. All the Rexxitors are going to see a serious uptick in their mental health. The puns were a coping mechanism, I think here that defensive reaction will be minimized.
No the endlessly repetitive puns were bad. They weren't the only things, but they were absolutely bad.
Your hopes for Redditors are entirely too high.
Unfortunately it's just something I think we're going to have to deal with no matter where you go. Even forums with higher quality users still have lame jokes and puns thrown around.
I'm sorry.. but the pun threads are legendary. I actually hope they at the very least, continue.
It always puts a smile on my face.
...and my axe!
am i doing this right?
And the name of that axe was ...
Albert AxEinstein
Take my upvote! And my !silver
This guy axes.
I loved the joke threads. People continuing a reference or pun or joke was just a harmless, fun time.
Don't expect human nature to change just because some ceo of a different company decided to be a greedy dick, honestly
Lemmy sorts comments differently from reddit. Lemmy's documentation page about their algorithm describes reddit's algorithm as one that,
rewards comments that are repetitive and spammy.
It's an issue the developers claim to have a solution for.
I have no problem with jokes and comment chains. People should have their fun. But, I deleted my reddit account in frustration years ago. Reddit ranks the jokes higher than relevant discussion.
I'm cautiously optimistic. Lemmy is likely to be less prone to this particular problem.
Wow, that's a clever little algorithm. It feels like it could work better.
Reddit's big problem (among many) was you had to get in early on a thread to contribute. Otherwise you could be so far at the bottom you might as well have sent your reply to the bit bucket.
lemmy's algo seems in theory to work better, but we'll only know when the userbase here gets large enough.
On reddit, once a thread got past 300+ comments, the only way to get any views on your comment was to post it as a nested comment in a top-level comment.
lol, I realized the same thing and gamed that broken system more than once.
most power users realised that, i think. and that's what led to the pun chains.
I think it's natural to want the majority of posts to meet one's preferences but what one finds interesting/entertaining/etc. varies for each person.
I love diversity and choice and so I'm happy that each community can have their own individual rules/cultures and we can pick which communities we want to join. E.g., I wouldn't expect the same behaviour/rules/culture in a shit posting community compared to an arch linux community, but I'm glad both types of communities and content will exist.
We can collectively choose what kinds of unique cakes to bake and we can choose which cakes to eat too. :D
Sounds like a good AI feature for a Lemmy client app. "โ I don't want to see comments that only contain a pun."
this was something I loved about slashdot moderation. When voting, people had to specify the reason for the vote. +1 funny, +1 insightful, +1 informative, -1 troll, -1 misleading, etc.
That way you can, for example, set in your user preferences to ignore positive votes for comedy, and put extra value on informative votes.
Then, to keep people from spamming up/down votes and to encourage them to think about their choices, they only gave out a limited number of moderation points to readers. So you'd have to choose which comments to spend your 5 points on.
Then finally, they had 'meta moderation' where you'd be shown a comment, and asked "would a vote of insightful be appropriate for this comment" to catch people who down-voted out of disagreement or personal vandetta. Any users who regularly mis-voted would stop receiving the ability to vote.
I don't think this is directly applicable to a federated system, but I do think it's one of the best-thought-out voting systems ever created for a discussion board.
edit: a couple other points i liked about it:
Comments were capped at (iirc) +5 and -1. Further votes wouldn't change the comment's score.
User karma wasn't shown. The user page would just say Karma: good. Or Excellent, or poor, or some other vague term.
Wow, that is pretty fascinating.
To shreds you say, tsk tsk tsk. Well, howโs his wife holding up?
Ahh, the old lemmyroo...
Hold my nonexistent wedding ring, I'm going in
Yeah those are just circle-jerky and don't add to any meaningful discussion.
I've been hoping most of those users are only here temporarily following the bandwagon/circle-jerking, and that they go back to reddit for the comments of nothing but lame puns and off-topic jokes.
I was really hoping to escape that migrating here. The comments of nearly every reddit thread just devolves into r/funny or r/adviceanimals. Distinct subreddits mean less and less, and off-topic content is upvoted in every sub just because it illicits a cheap laugh.
Reddit is less and less a place for substantive discussion and more just a dumping grounds of repetitive lame jokes. I really hope the children stay on reddit...
This is the way
Lemmy reminds me of old school BBS where actual discussion happened. I know it's been a shift for me where I actually have to think about a response and hold a discussion instead of just following the patterns. Not that I don't appreciate rote comments, it's nice to expect a joke and have that delivered on. Not every thread though.
I agree with you, the relationship subs were/are a hell of 'heh a quick way to lose that 210 pounds, dump him sweaty!'. Like why can't we just give advice without everyone trying to be a wiseass.
I don't mind most of them but I downvoted every "Google en passant" comment chain.
the other thing to consider with low effort, duplication of memes is the server overhead. one thing to burn corporate coffers with the same people of walmart and cat tropes but this kind of stuff burns server and storage resources.
for a corporate entity looking to make billions off our data that's the cost of doing business -- but for lemmy server admins it's a truly personal cost.
imo we should be respectful of our "homes" and try not to trash them with low value content.
I think this is an excellent point (re: server overhead) and one I hadn't considered. Thanks for sharing that.
I used to wish there was a browser plugin that would just hide the top comment on posts somehow. Invariably, when a postvreally blows up, the top comment is some kind of joke or a pun that doesn't add anything to the discussion at hand.
Don't worry! We'll develop our own new inside jokes to repeat and nauseum!
EDIT: I realized, 4 hours later, than auto-correct had changed "ad" to "and". I'm leaving it as it makes this comment even more obnoxious.
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