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A 605 MW PV plant in Germany is now Europe's largest solar farm (electrek.co)

submitted 7 months ago by testeronious@lemmy.world to c/upliftingnews@lemmy.world

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[–] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 26 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

Every time I see good news like this I see jerks like the person below or the idiots who sane inane things like "Too bad it only works when it's SUNNY 😂😂😂".

If only they had Dan, Retired, from Idaho Falls to tell them that this massive project was so stupid! No one thought about a cloudy day! It seems so obvious now! To me it says way way way more about how arrogant people are to think they know more than actual experts in the field, the people literally designing and building these things.

Kudos to Europe for leading the way on green energy.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Just call them out on their bullshit, most of them are trolls trying to weasel their way into public discussion in attempt to discredit in bad faith or make look bad, progressive ideas like renewable energy and human rights

[–] August27th@lemmy.ca 11 points 7 months ago

That's like half a DeLorean!

[+] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -50 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

I wonder how long until it generates incredible amounts of ewaste from broken photovolatic cells.

Behold, your precious solar panels.

[–] DrFuggles@feddit.de 54 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Any time someone brings this up I wonder if they're financed by the fossil fuel industry as it's just such a weird point to make.

First: consider the alternatives: Every form of energy has an environmental cost associated with it. Surely we agree that while not perfect, PV is vastly superior in this regard to gas/coal/oil? It might even be less polluting than nuclear, but it's early here and I'm too tired to research this.

Second: PV modules have a very long life span. At least 20 years. After that time, they'll probably be operating still, but at maybe 60-80% of peak performance. That's probably not good enough for commercial use, but I built myself a nice little garden shed solar array using "old" modules because they were basically free and I don't care that much about peak performance in my use case. That's to say, these things can still be used for a long time.

Third: if they ever do need to be completely recycled, well, that's doable. In the EU, it's actually compulsory. The processes are there, although they don't quite scale yet. That's mainly because there's just not that many old modules to recycle yet.

sooo with all that going on, what exactly are you basing your point on?

[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 21 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I actually felt like this before your comment 🫡 thx for the information

I think it’s not people paid by the fuel industry but rather just disinformation spread through urban legends.

[–] vividspecter@lemm.ee 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't have to be paid shills directly. In many cases, the fossil fuel industry just seeds the information through "think" tanks and opinion columns and useful idiots spread it around from there.

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Yep, you might find topics like "the kochtopus" to be a good starting point into this kind of thing

https://theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/23/david-koch-death-kochtopus-legacy-right-wing

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+kochtopus

[–] WR5@lemmy.world 17 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Wow, how uplifting! Keep spreading your positivity as far as you can!

[–] Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.de 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I mean, you create incredible amounts of waste and we still let you be here, so 🤷

[–] x4740N@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

AND HERE WE ARE WITH THE BULLSHIT COMMENTS MADE WITH BAD FAITH

You're just trying to make renewable energy look bad and / or discredit it in bad faith

That's the aim of you trolls isn't it

I'd replied to another commenter discussing these kinds of comments to call them out on their bullshit

May as well start with your comment

I hope others call you out on the bullshit

[–] RealFknNito@lemmy.world -4 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Lmao I prefer renewable energy over coal and oil but the morons like you who idolize it while ignoring the fact it's creating insane amounts of waste is what pisses me off. You need to constantly ignore the downsides of green energy because if you didn't you'd quickly see how fucking awful it is. The only green energy I want is nuclear. I don't give a shit if it's fission or fusion, it's nuke or nothing babe.

The ewaste from photovoltaic cells is already at a billion kilograms. A billion. They're not being recycled properly, just like plastic bottles, fuckheads dump them in the garbage. So no, fuck solar and fuck wind, both aren't worth the massive amounts of garbage they produce. I'll say it until my dying breath, solar and wind are not the fucking answer to climate change. Stop celebrating them.

[–] anzo@programming.dev -3 points 7 months ago

The most concerning e-waste of any renewable source is the chemicals within the battery!