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[-] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 104 points 1 year ago

It's technically not a visa but an electronic travel authorization much like the US and Canada have.

[-] what_is_a_name@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

I love Americans freaking out about being subjected to the same shit they force all others to go through.

Americans have no idea how border checks work. Remember that next time they share opinions about immigration.

[-] Hildegarde@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

I know how boarder checks work. And I know that the schengen area has the best border crossings.

I want more schengen. The US and Canada should make their own north american schengen area, it will cut down on so much unnecessary government expenditure.

[-] ELI70@lemmy.run 3 points 1 year ago

Why not world wide shengen? Why shouldn't all human beings have freedom of movement on the entire globe? Why do you have to ask permission before being able to move freely?

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[-] Overzeetop@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Exactly - the title and the article is incorrect. Americans will still be afforded a visa-on-arrival for tourism and other approved short term stays. Additionally, the authorization is valid for three years and can be used for multiple stays within the EEA. I believe the UK is also implementing an ETA (edit, maybe I got the acronym right this time), but I think it is only valid for two years at a time.

In a way it's silly, but it also reduces that chance of a disruption/entry denial at the entry point to the Area.

[-] Screeslope@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I think a key benefit here is that the pre-registration allows for faster processing at the border itself, cutting down on queues at the airport. Singapore runs a system where after preregistration you can just walk through an automated (though somewhat finicky) scanner. No queues after arrival, I basically stepped off the international flight and went straight to the city with barely a wait.

[-] nomadjoanne@lemmy.world 74 points 1 year ago

No. They'll need to fill out a form online before they go. Europe is only requiring this because the US has forced similar bullshit on Europeans for years cos "terrorism".

[-] steltek@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even domestically, Americans hate this crap. No one likes the TSA. No one thinks they do a goddamned thing. It's a massive invasion of privacy and a huge waste of money. And then we have this "Real ID" thing looming over us just to get on an airplane (again, for a domestic flight only).

You'd think we could unite against such a simple common enemy but apparently no one has the time. I guess politicians are worried about a sudden glut of unemployed TSA workers who's only job skills are identifying the water bottle I forgot in my bag.

[-] Galgo@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I never got this. What legal implications does stating that you're not a terrorist have to enable persecution that they couldn't enforce otherwise if you were actually a terrorist?

Like, if I were a terrorist, I doubt I'd have a huge problem with lying, so the whole thing always feels silly.

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  1. It's not a visa but an ESTA. The visa is still granted on the fly on entry.
  2. The U.S. require the same the other way around, only the one granted by the EU is $10 cheaper and valid for 3 years instead of 2, so still U.S. citizens get an advantage
  3. EU citizens (like all other non-immigrants) have to, as far as I understand, disclose all their social media accounts when applying for a US visa

Sources for (3):

For VISA applications, https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Enhanced%20Vetting/CA%20-%20FAQs%20on%20Social%20Media%20Collection%20-%206-4-2019%20(v.2).pdf should apply.

What if applicants participate in multiple online platforms? Are they being asked to list all of their handles, or only one?

Applicants must provide all identifiers used for all listed platforms.

I reached that document via https://www.ustraveldocs.com/de/de-gen-faq.asp#qlistgen21 ("Apply for a U.S. Visa in Germany") and didn't find any hint for exemptions for German citizens or E U citizens, so I assume it applies. (But I might still be wrong.)

[-] Syldon@feddit.uk 20 points 1 year ago

Simply wow, this one is new to me. Guess I would never go to the US again.

[-] yaycupcake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 1 year ago

Genuine question, how the heck do people who have a ton of social media accounts (some for a business, some for different topics, some they haven't used in ages and maybe forgot about or lost the login for) actually list them all? If it were me, depending on the platforms required, I don't even know where I'd begin. I very well might genuinely forget one I made 3 years ago, used for a month, and abandoned.

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago

Does my pornhub account qualify as social media?

[-] Daze@feddit.de 13 points 1 year ago

Depends on what you're watching, I guess. Imo, gangbang should count as social media while masturbation probably doesn't.

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[-] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago

What if I don't disclose my social media accounts? How are they going to know? It feels like to me like more surveillance they're attempting to do.

[-] twitterfluechtling@lemmy.pathoris.de 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

⁸I don't know what data they have at hand to work with, the following is mainly guesswork / how I would do it:

As far as I know, US authorities have quite liberal access to data stored by US companies (due to the cloud act even if the data isn't originally stored in the US), especially in case the data is about non-citizens where some of their protection laws don't hold. Most social media accounts are tied to phone numbers and/or email addresses.

If I was in their place, I'd have a relatively small database with all (or at least all non-US) phone numbers used for social media accounts, with the email addresses tied to those accounts. If a visa-applicant applies and I get their phone number (email address),

  1. I'd query a list of all accounts for that number (email) to get the associated emails (numbers).
  2. With those new emails (numbers) I'd repeat step 1

If you call the office or enter your number in your application, they might get some accounts. If you associated an email address to that account, they might get additional different accounts by that email. If those different accounts have a different phone number associated to them, they use that new phone number to get more accounts. rinse, repeat.

[Edit: This process would be completely automated, of course. Not manual.]

The consequence of being caught lying might be to get your visa revoked / denied once you are already in the US at the airport, which would be highly inconvenient. Or, if they get suspicious, find something else, and get annoyed, maybe it could even be punished? I don't know.

You could maintain a separate phone with a separate phone number and separate email addresses for accounts you want to keep secret. Or maybe get a fresh phone number / email address just for the trip. But that's quite a bit of effort to maintain consistently.

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[-] FailBait@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago

Saw people freaking out on FB about this and how “I guess Europe doesn’t want tourism!” I don’t think $8 is going to be a barrier for entry on a $1000 flight…

[-] local_taxi_fix@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Also people saying "Europe is charging Americans a fee to enter" when really they're charging all non-Europeans. Typical American conservative self-victimization.

[-] willow@discuss.tchncs.de 47 points 1 year ago

The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.

A very typical tit-for-tat.

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[-] Ooops@feddit.de 46 points 1 year ago

Because "including Spain, France and Greece" is a rather lacking description for 30 European countries:

Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland

[-] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 1 year ago

Maybe they're selected because they're the most popular destinations? (Nor sure if that true, but it would make sense)

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[-] eusousuperior@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago

Well we've been paying the ESTA electronic visa for years now every time we've wanted to visit the US. It's fair game to require the same

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

$8, don't break the bank on this one folks.

[-] EyesEyesBaby@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago

The visa, which will cost about $8, is similar to the one that European tourists are required to get when traveling to the U.S., which costs $21.

That's quite the difference.

[-] makr_alland@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

It's the same, but in the US you have to add the sales tax ($2) and then tip at least 110%. That brings the total to $21.

[-] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Not the price of the visa, but the visa itself is similar to the ones that Europeans have had to get for a long time.

[-] 15liam20@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Is that $21 or $21 plus some random tax when you get to the till because fuck you?

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[-] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago

Wait, this wasnt the case yet?!

[-] sagrotan@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that scratches the inflated image of the US citizens. But why...idk

[-] Ecology8622@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm guessing because of migration. More USA citizens want to leave the US and overstay in the EU. This way its a bit more tedious and easier to track.

[-] BraveSirZaphod@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

It's just part of a larger expansion of a program that simply happens to include Americans. I really don't think they care about us that much; we're not that special.

[-] krische@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Seems like it's more so covering the costs of doing automated background checks or something like that. Like making sure you aren't on any bad lists so they can prevent you from arriving instead of having to deal with you when you're already there.

It's not technically a visa, Americans are still granted that upon arrival it seems.

[-] JCPhoenix@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago

No, it's a diplomatic tit-for-tat. Even though the EU and US have visa-free travel, the US imposed the ESTA on travelers from the EU (and elsewhere I'm assuming) some years ago. It's a not a traditional visa, it's a "Travel Authorization." And it costs money to apply for one. It's not expensive, nor hard to get, and it lasts a few years, I think, but from the EU perspective, why should their citizens have to pay for an ESTA to the US, while US citizens can travel to the EU for free? So the EU is finally retaliating by leveling the playing field and imposing an ESTA on American travelers.

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[-] MariaRomanov@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 1 year ago

Damn! Anyway...

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