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[–] whileloop@lemmy.world 209 points 2 years ago (4 children)
[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz 167 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (48 children)

I hope **chrome **fails terribly. Just like Internet Explorer(IE). Firefox all the way

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[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Except when it doesn't. That saying never made sense (far more species have gone extinct than exist today) and it doesn't apply here.

Piracy will continue, obviously, but what we're seeing here is the creation of an internet we can't even fathom yet. This is just where it starts.

Also consider how much more difficult it will be for the average person to participate in piracy. Remember a few months back when Microsoft floated they were basically looking to lock down windows? No unsigned apps, no win32, etc. People will get around that, of course, but fewer people will. Especially if they continue with this trend towards stripping options and de-admin-ing all users unless they pay for an enterprise license.

Then there's the dangerous trend toward encryption being broken by regulation and possibly even VPNs being rendered useless for anyone but businesses. There goes secure torrenting.

The trends don't look good, across the board. We can't just sit here and hope it all works out and the loopholes are found, like it always has before.

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[–] meldroc@lemmy.world 158 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

And then the plan to force everyone to abandon Firefox whether they like it or not.

  1. Implement the misfeatures.
  2. Movie and music websites will be the first to announce requiring DRM to be able to watch movies or listen to tunes.
  3. The banks will be next. "For your safety, you must use an Official Approved Browser™ to be allowed access to your money!"
  4. Then ecommerce sites. "You must have DRM enabled to be allowed to buy anything."
  5. Then comes the social media sites. For your safety, of course...

At that point, the userbase of anything that's not Chrome or not DRM'd to death will be so eroded that virtually everyone else will abandon Firefox support, DRM will get enabled by default. Also, comes the lobbyists to Congress demanding changes to the DMCA to throw users in prison who dare to try to crack the DRM to block ads. "Ad-blocking is stealing!"

[–] Tired8281@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Just means I'll have the shittiest Chromebook I can buy used, for access to the sites you just listed, and my Linux laptop for everything else. If their non-financial, non-commerce site won't let me in with my adblocking Linux machine, I just won't go there. There will be lots of site still, run by us, that don't do this shit, and they'll get my traffic.

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[–] DrinkBoba@lemmy.world 114 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Google is such a bad company. People should discontinue use of all their software and at the very least stop using chrome or chromium. They’ve got the internet by the balls.

[–] seasonone@opidea.xyz 69 points 2 years ago (7 children)

I still remember old days, when most coders used to praise google. Their services were amazing and I think one of their old principle was >"Develop good products first, think about monetisation later"

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 119 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] cyborganism@lemmy.ca 108 points 2 years ago (9 children)

"Google engineers want..."

No. Google executives want this to happen. Google's CEO wants this to happen.

They want to change the internet and remove any little bit of freedom for their own corporate profits.

Fuck "do no evil" Google.

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[–] Jamie@jamie.moe 94 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Google and Chrome really need to be broken up. Maybe people should start writing (physical) letters to the FTC asking to review Google's recent actions as monopolistic behavior.

It wouldn't be the first time. But showing the interest is the best way to get the ball rolling that we can do.

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[–] legion@lemmy.world 94 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Use Firefox.

Support Firefox.

Using alternative Chromium based browsers is not it.

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[–] StarServal@kbin.social 88 points 2 years ago

The internet is unusable without adblockers.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 81 points 2 years ago

We warned you about Chrome. We told you bro.

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 75 points 2 years ago (24 children)

Why's everyone blaming the engineers lol, pretty sure they're just doing what they're told right?

[–] HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Exactly, headline should be more like "Google executives want Google engineers to make ad-blocking (near) impossible"

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[–] underisk@lemmy.ml 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Just following orders is not the ironclad excuse some of you seem to think it is.

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[–] DigDoug@lemmy.world 65 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Use Firefox.

Even the Android version lets you install uBlock Origin.

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[–] opt9@feddit.ch 55 points 2 years ago (24 children)

Google controls way too much. People need to stop using their products. Many people complaining right now are still using Google stuff. If everyone concerned stop using Google stuff, that would cause them to reconsider very quickly.

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[–] dangblingus@lemmy.world 54 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This shouldn't be surprising to anyone. And it's a death knell of the internet as we know it. It won't be today or tomorrow, but slowly, over the next few years, expect surface level internet services to be extremely user unfriendly. I expect normies to just accept their fate and pay access fees to literally every website and service they use, while more tech savvy or explorative people might find their way to federated spaces or Usenet, etc.

[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Then don't let Chrome be a super majority of users.

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

[–] marmo7ade@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago (7 children)

You can't win this battle by telling normies to go download firefox. They don't care. And that's the issue. People need to care about these issues and that starts with education. If we taught kids about computers and intellectual property at a young age, they might care. Instead I learned how to write in cursive.

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[–] tonnert@lemmy.world 23 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

The silver lining here might also be that the internet that we knew and loved 25 years ago might actually reappear. The 'other' stuff would just become background noise to the ones 'in the know'.

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[–] LurkNoMore@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago (5 children)

It isn't Google Engineers wanting to do it. It's Google engineers being told to do it.

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[–] FantasticFox@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (17 children)

We waste intelligent minds on this rubbish when we are facing an existential crisis in climate change.

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[–] j12345@boulder.ly 47 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Google engineers want me to stop using anything from google

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[–] jantin@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And another question: did someone already lay out a roadmap to google's collapse?

Right now we're going through a financial crisis, big tech needs to start making proper money so they try to squeeze the users. Google hopes to "drm the internet" to maximise ad revenue. Let's assume they succeed. 3 years from now the dystopia of dead adblockers is live, google and other leeches make bank off ads.

But there's no more adblockers and no more ad revenue left to squeeze out (because every internet user is already chained to a screen and force fed ads within ads). And shareholders demand increase in profits. What do they do then? Is there any hint of a long-term strategy? How long before the maximum theoretical ad revenue is reached and plateaus? Then COVID29 or something comes, fed raises rastes again and...?

[–] june@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You’re describing the inherent limitations of capitalism. Our entire economy is predicated on infinite growth, which doesn’t exist and isn’t possible. What you describe is the eventual collapse of not just organizations, but of the US as a whole.

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[–] hairinmybellybutt@lemmy.world 45 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Even if they do that, some people will just create illegal website mirrors that remove ads.

On reddit, people already copy paste articles when there's a paywall. I can totally envision that thing to be more common.

I am not fucking kidding, I will stop using websites if I cannot block ads. This is non negotiable. I don't care about your business model, I have zero money to give you. I tried the official reddit app, and uninstalled within a week.

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[–] MonsiuerPatEBrown@reddthat.com 42 points 2 years ago

It was not hilarious when MS tried to control stuff like this with IE.

This is a boring fight, and it is why tech companies need a broken up and a kick in the profits/pants.

[–] Fish@midwest.social 41 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is why I recently switched back to Firefox.

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[–] CummandoX@lemmy.world 36 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Alright, today is oficially the day I switch to Firefox

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[–] urda@lebowski.social 34 points 2 years ago (18 children)
[–] herrvogel@lemmy.world 34 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Lmao yoavweiss seems to have recently broken the 4 year hiatus on his personal blog to make a new post about how the discussions around this retarded proposal are not constructive enough.

The most constructive that can ever be said about this is "fuck right off" dude.

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (3 children)

You think they acted alone?

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It's fun to see capitalism doubling down on itself. 🫠

[–] jtmetcalfe@lemmy.sdf.org 30 points 2 years ago (8 children)

I can’t imagine anyone who uses the internet thinking the current ad technology is effective, the web is broken because of ads

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)

In recent news, Google has put forth a proposal known as the "Web Environment Integrity Explainer", authored by four of its engineers.

Imagine someone telling you this is your job and you do it.

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[–] faintedheart@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Will use firefox until it gets broken into pieces. I would rather stop using the internet other than for necessary situations.

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[–] Bipta@kbin.social 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Per the article, this is already being integrated into Chromium as we speak, as in days ago: https://github.com/chromium/chromium/commit/6f47a22906b2899412e79a2727355efa9cc8f5bd

[–] Pratai@lemmy.ca 25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Google executives want this, NOT the engineers.

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[–] 0Xero0@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (24 children)

The year is 2023, every single major tech companies are racing each other to become Public Enemy No. 1. And the only Hero we have is the EU, will it be able to save the day?

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[–] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Their examples are business issues where they want a tech solution.

These are working on a foundation that the internet today, with all it's venture capital money, "free" websites and services that run at a loss is how the internet should look. So they are building technical solutions to force some "trust" facilitate this internet. If a business or website cannot function or be profitable without this, that company does not deserve to survive. It's putting businesses ahead of users.

It works off the assumption that websites should know who the person visiting their website is (or that it's even a human.)

IMO, we need to return to the assumption that users are anonymous and remind people that you don't know who is on the other side so we should not trust at all.

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