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[–] knightly@pawb.social 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Solidarity, my friend! I'm always happy to share with open minds such as yours!

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Solidarity is a bit ironic given the topic. Exclusion sounds a lot like an anti-racist saying, "communities must stay segregated". It's giving me weird separate-but-equal vibes even after your explanation, and "separate but equal" is still a terrible policy.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

There's nothing ironic about queer outcasts sharing a bond of unity and common cause with non-queer outcasts without giving up their identity as queer folks.

The venn diagram of Metalheads and Queer Villains is neither a circle nor entirely separate. Indeed, some of my favorite queer villains are also metalheads, punks, and/or transgressive rockers.

There is intersectionality here, and your feeling of "separate but equal" about it is merely a product of a society that abhors the complexity and ambiguity that allows us space to thrive.

People can be more than one thing, we all contain multitudes.

People can also appreciate the uniqueness of a group of folks without themselves being of their number. I, for example, am not a metalhead because I have only tangential interest in the genre, but I have much respect for the way the Metal community makes an effort to reject Nazis and other fascists that try to weasel their in among their number.

[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You seem to have a more nuanced take than the icon guide provides room for. No one in their right mind is going to complain about having legitimate safe spaces to grow, but it is by very definition segregation to grow public communities with engrained exclusion.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 1 points 2 days ago

That's an extreme take that I honestly can't take seriously, communities are defined by either geographic boundaries or some property that their members hold in common.

You wouldn't say that it's exclusionary to recognize that a short person isn't tall or that a New Yorker isn't a Texan. That's just nonsense.