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  • Volkswagen beat Tesla in European EV sales across the first three months of 2025, data shows.
  • Registrations for VW EVs are up more than 150%, while Tesla lost huge ground.
  • However, the Model Y and Model 3 remain Europe's top two most-registered EVs.
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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 days ago (5 children)

If you don't consider the impact that sending yet more manufacturing jobs to China will have in the long run and the fact that they have great value because what China is doing is called dumping and the goal is for them to have a monopoly so they can eventually increase prices without having any competitors.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If auto subsidies are dumping, the US has been dumping for ages.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Where did you see me mention that it's ok for the US to do it?

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

So, since china is evil and wrong for making an affordable car when elon doesn't want them to, who is allowed to make an affordable electric car?

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Eh... What are you going on about? Dumping is wrong no matter who does it and there's more than Tesla and Chinese offerings on the market.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Dumping is wrong no matter who does it

Right after biden put in his trumpian tariffs against an automaker to protect musk.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

If a country is dumping in your market and threatening your own industry you impose tariffs to compensate or you risk losing jobs and you'll have a much bigger issue to deal with.

I hope you're not the kind of person that complains about the middle class disappearing because right now you're defending what made it disappear.

Also, welcome to the world, which isn't just the US, this thread is about the European market where Biden didn't impose tariffs.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I hope you’re not the kind of person that complains about the middle class disappearing because right now you’re defending what made it disappear.

Cheap cars aren't what killed the middle class.

Also, welcome to the world, which isn’t just the US, this thread is about the European market where Biden didn’t impose tariffs.

Nope. Just kicked open the door so trump could.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Opening the door to Chinese stuff and killing the manufacturing industry in North America and Europe is one of the main things that killed the middle class.

Trump didn't impose tariffs on China in Europe either.

You have a serious reading comprehension issue, you should go back up the chain and reread everything but this time take the time to actually understand the message.

[–] dickalan@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

That ship has sailed, like 50 years ago

[–] suigenerix@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Yes, China dumps EVs on other markets.

But here are some extra insights to consider about the issue:

  • To curb dumping, many countries already have, or are introducing, high tariffs against Chinese EVs. Biden had a 100% tariff on EVs, Canada is 100%, India is 70-100%, the EU is up to 45%, Brazil is ramping up to 35%, etc.
  • Around 90% of all EVs China produces are sold in China. So even if EV dumping ends, it'll have only a minor effect on production
  • Dumping is caused by over supply of Chinese EVs at the moment. Some countries, like the US under Trump policies, are deliberately attempting to drive down EV demand, further adding to the issue. And as with all markets, over supply can't be sustained indefinitely, so it's predicted that multiple Chinese EV manufacturers will go under or merge. This is normal in evolving markets
  • China is innovating much faster with EV tech, especially with battery technology. Meanwhile the US under Trump is removing incentives for EV production and ownership, and causing significant market uncertainty. This will have a far greater effect on Chinese dominance of the technology than dumping
  • China is in the majority of countries in offering government subsidies and tax breaks for emerging products, especially on things like R&D and infrastructure
  • The US and other countries also dump products on a significantly larger scale. For example, the US government subsidizes corn which is sold to world markets under production cost. Exports of corn from the US in 2024 were ~$14 billion, while Chinese EV exports were under $5 billion

None of this is intended to condone China or any country dumping products, but as a warning about having overly simplified reactions to an issue without understanding the bigger picture.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"They're much cheaper than comparable cars!"

People never think about where the savings come from, as long as they can buy stuff.

Seeing people who call themselves left wing defending globalism will always be funny to people like me who are left wing and were protesting against it back in the day.

[–] Don_alForno@feddit.org 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the other hand, the right in America is in the process of destroying globalism and is rightly mocked for it because they themselves are suffering the worst.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The issue is the way they're trying to put an end to it. A plan like the government giving priority to local manufacturers and forcing international bidders to build factories in the country is one thing. Imposing tariffs without any plans to compensate locally is just plain dumb.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

And yet they’re not just going about it the most boneheaded way they can think of, but have been actively killing off Biden era incentives to do what they claim they want.

If they actually cared about manufacturing locally, they would support those incentives, and support the infrastructure bill

[–] IndustryStandard@lemmy.world -3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Damn I have not heard about the Chinese enslaving black Africans to work at plantations yet.

[–] boredtortoise@lemm.ee 1 points 5 hours ago

They're doing a lot of exploitation in Africa. Look it up if you truly haven't heard