this post was submitted on 21 Apr 2025
817 points (80.9% liked)
Memes
49886 readers
2805 users here now
Rules:
- Be civil and nice.
- Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.
founded 6 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
So do 100% concentrated evil, but they also wipe their arses with the constitution, set up concentration camps, and literally ruin the political and economic position of the US.
The democrats also set up concentration camps. And the US uses its political and economic position to commit genocide, ruining it is a good thing
An unlivable planet is worse than all those things
They are also doing that too.
Thanks for agreeing with me that on the biggest most important issues both sides are the same
Are you conflating corporatism and concentration camps because they start with the same letter or are you really this fucking stupid?
Concentration camps have been a thing for most of the US' existence, have become super widespread in recent decades (as in, the children in cages) and they're completely bipartisan. At one point, there were twice as many children detained under Biden than at Trump's highest.
You might not have known it until now (doubtful) but if I know democrats, you're gonna handwave it away even though you no longer have that excuse. Democrats are no more than the left wing of fascism and so is anyone who treats these abuses as irrelevant distractions from the real issues, that is, the comforts of white people.
Ruining the planet for everyone is worse than anything else and on that issue both sides are the same
It'll be ruined much faster with the red party in control. I guess we are gonna speed run the decline thanks to people like you.
If the only options are to keep ruining the world at a steady pace or speed it up then we're cooked anyway (literally)
Driving off the cliff at 95 mph vs. 100 mph, and trying to argue there's a difference
More like driving off with your foot on the gas pedal vs driving off with your foot on the brake.
At least one option has a chance of stopping you from going off the cliff. The other just wants to guarantee you get thrown off the edge.
https://www.npr.org/2021/07/13/1015581092/biden-promised-to-end-new-drilling-on-federal-land-but-approvals-are-up
That's what you're calling a brake
If you can't see the difference between a centrist party and a far-right fascist one, then I hold no hope for your political literacy going forward.
I can see that Biden held twice children at the border at one time than Trump at his highest. I can see that weapons and money to Israel skyrocketed under Biden. I can see that Obama alone prosecuted more whistleblowers than the US had prosecuted in its entire history.
If you only count it as fascism when it starts affecting white people half as much as it was affecting the rest of us then you can't be surprised we consider you just as much of a fascist as them.
In your own source it very clearly outlines that it was not due to a more hostile border policy, but rather an increase in the number of people actually showing up at the border in the first place.
Meanwhile, Trump is not only keeping those people there, but also ending the refugee resettlement program, deporting people to El Salvador without due process, actively spreading misinformation about immigrants, and black-bagging American citizens, including native Americans.
Did Biden do some god awful things? Of course he fucking did. But what Trump is doing (and especially what he says he wants to do more of) is infinitely worse than what Biden did.
And here's the secretary of state chosen by Trump actively expediting 4 billion dollars of additional military assistance to Israel while directly mentioning the fact that it goes against the Biden admin's partial arms embargo.
If you wanted to reduce the amount of aid being given to Israel, maybe start with the party that did something to limit the aid being given to a degree, instead of the one actively adding on even more while repealing the limits.
Yep, that's awful too. Too bad your own source also mentions that "six cases were tried during the presidency of Donald Trump between 2017 and 2021." and guess what? Trump is now actively trying to fire the head of the agency that protects government whistleblowers.
If you can't see the pattern of Republicans just being Democrats but substantially worse, then it's no surprise you pull this "both sides are the same" argument.
Does anybody like the fact that the Democrats are just the watered down fascist party? Of course not. But if you're going to try and better this fucking country, you don't do that by saying "the fascists and the less fascist people are identical, actually" and then ruin your own chances of having a more sympathetic administration by easily allowing the fascists to trick people into thinking they're just like the Democrats, and so more Democrat voters should feel okay with voting for them and their substantially worse policies.
I've said it before to so many people on this platform, and I'll say it again: You do not increase your chances of enacting beneficial changes to this country when you support the larger evil, or act as though the larger evil and the lesser evil are identical. All you do is make it easier for the larger evil to gain power, no matter how much you personally advocate for better policies.
Again, your only recourse is "Trump did it too" that's what I'm saying, jesus fucking christ. They're not staving off fascism, they're taking turns ramping it up in different places. When it comes to migrants and foreigners, their policies are the same; sometimes they change tactics or optics, but the end goal remains unchanged. You're hammering home the same point while saying it proves that democrats are much better. No they fucking ain't.
So... it's okay because he was doing what Trump was doing, but a little less per migrant? There is, then, an acceptable rate of people in concentration camps, Trump was just a bit too loose with it.
I don't give a single shit if they're 10% worse for gringos, they're just as bad and in a lot of ways much worse for the rest of the world. It was Biden who pushed the doomsday clock closest to midnight than it'd been since the cuban missile crisis. It was Obama who ramped up the drone bombing campaign, it was Clinton who ordered Gaddafi killed, it was Biden who drafted the 90s crime bill that made the US the most incarcerated population in the entire world.
Matter of fact, whenever something got incredibly shitty for US citizens, you can flip a coin on whether it was Reagan who did it or Jim Crow Joe.
Genocide denier
You're seriously trying to use "The Trump admin said Biden was weak on Israel" as an argument that Biden was actually weak on Israel. Do you give so much trust to Trump in other contexts? Or only when it lets you defend genocide
Both parties are ruining the planet, we agree on that, let's leave it there
No because that is only a half truth. You are willfully ignorant of the other half of the equation. One side is measurably more damaging to the US and the world overall. You don't get to "both sides" this.
Ok, go on, show us the measurements
Biden approved more and more fracking projects and oil exctraction hit record rates. Just because NBC kept saying everything was okay now doesn't mean that it was, some of us were paying as much attention then as we did under Trump, unlike dems.
And yet one of them does significantly more to ruin the planet than the other.
If you want the highest possible chance of changing the world for the better, you want a party in power that is the least bad of the options available to you. That doesn't mean that party is good in itself, but it's certainly the best chance you'll get.
If you want to save the climate, for instance, the party that's open to developing more clean energy, even if they still support fossil fuels in some capacity, is better than the one actively dismantling climate regulations, halting clean energy development, and increasing our fossil fuel production to an even higher rate.
Nobody likes this duopoly, but when you live under one, you have to pick the side that will do the least harm in order to implement your own goals to reduce harm further.
This doesn't mean the Democrats are inherently good, but they're certainly going to give you a better shot at improving the world than the neo-Nazis will.
Sure, I've now got nothing left to say.
I honestly thought reddit was bad but the "both siders are evil" morons here are way worse.
You don't get it.
They are destroying the planet on top of all the other things.
If both parties are pro-ending the world then everything else is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic