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[–] ArchRecord@lemm.ee -3 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Biden held twice children at the border at one time than Trump at his highest

In your own source it very clearly outlines that it was not due to a more hostile border policy, but rather an increase in the number of people actually showing up at the border in the first place.

Meanwhile, Trump is not only keeping those people there, but also ending the refugee resettlement program, deporting people to El Salvador without due process, actively spreading misinformation about immigrants, and black-bagging American citizens, including native Americans.

Did Biden do some god awful things? Of course he fucking did. But what Trump is doing (and especially what he says he wants to do more of) is infinitely worse than what Biden did.

I can see that weapons and money to Israel skyrocketed under Biden.

And here's the secretary of state chosen by Trump actively expediting 4 billion dollars of additional military assistance to Israel while directly mentioning the fact that it goes against the Biden admin's partial arms embargo.

If you wanted to reduce the amount of aid being given to Israel, maybe start with the party that did something to limit the aid being given to a degree, instead of the one actively adding on even more while repealing the limits.

"Since taking office, the Trump Administration has approved nearly $12 billion in major FMS sales to Israel. This important decision coincides with President Trump’s repeal of a Biden-era memorandum which had imposed baseless and politicized conditions on military assistance to Israel at a time when our close ally was fighting a war of survival on multiple fronts against Iran and terror proxies."

I can see that Obama alone prosecuted more whistleblowers than the US had prosecuted in its entire history.

Yep, that's awful too. Too bad your own source also mentions that "six cases were tried during the presidency of Donald Trump between 2017 and 2021." and guess what? Trump is now actively trying to fire the head of the agency that protects government whistleblowers.

If you can't see the pattern of Republicans just being Democrats but substantially worse, then it's no surprise you pull this "both sides are the same" argument.

Does anybody like the fact that the Democrats are just the watered down fascist party? Of course not. But if you're going to try and better this fucking country, you don't do that by saying "the fascists and the less fascist people are identical, actually" and then ruin your own chances of having a more sympathetic administration by easily allowing the fascists to trick people into thinking they're just like the Democrats, and so more Democrat voters should feel okay with voting for them and their substantially worse policies.

I've said it before to so many people on this platform, and I'll say it again: You do not increase your chances of enacting beneficial changes to this country when you support the larger evil, or act as though the larger evil and the lesser evil are identical. All you do is make it easier for the larger evil to gain power, no matter how much you personally advocate for better policies.

[–] Grapho@lemmy.ml 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Again, your only recourse is "Trump did it too" that's what I'm saying, jesus fucking christ. They're not staving off fascism, they're taking turns ramping it up in different places. When it comes to migrants and foreigners, their policies are the same; sometimes they change tactics or optics, but the end goal remains unchanged. You're hammering home the same point while saying it proves that democrats are much better. No they fucking ain't.

it was not due to a more hostile border policy, but rather an increase in the number of people actually showing up at the border in the first place.

So... it's okay because he was doing what Trump was doing, but a little less per migrant? There is, then, an acceptable rate of people in concentration camps, Trump was just a bit too loose with it.

I don't give a single shit if they're 10% worse for gringos, they're just as bad and in a lot of ways much worse for the rest of the world. It was Biden who pushed the doomsday clock closest to midnight than it'd been since the cuban missile crisis. It was Obama who ramped up the drone bombing campaign, it was Clinton who ordered Gaddafi killed, it was Biden who drafted the 90s crime bill that made the US the most incarcerated population in the entire world.

Matter of fact, whenever something got incredibly shitty for US citizens, you can flip a coin on whether it was Reagan who did it or Jim Crow Joe.

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Genocide denier

You're seriously trying to use "The Trump admin said Biden was weak on Israel" as an argument that Biden was actually weak on Israel. Do you give so much trust to Trump in other contexts? Or only when it lets you defend genocide