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So... Sci-Fi technology that does not exist. You think the "Neurons" in the Neural Networks of today are actually neuron simulations? Not by a long shot! They are not even trying to be. "Neuron" in this context means "thing that holds a number from 0 to 1". That is it. There is nothing else.
Sorry about the insulting tone.
That is the reason why I hate the term "AI". You never know whether the person using it means "Machine Learning Technologies we have today" or "Potential technology which might exist in the future".
Yeah... you know not every problem is compute-able right? This is known as the halting problem.
Also, I'm not interested in discussing Sci-Fi future tech. At that point we might as well be talking about Unicorns, since it is theoretically possible for future us to genetically modify a equine an give it on horn on the forehead.
Also, why would you want such a machine anyways?
The link between Nazis, Fascism and AI 'art'
Reminds me of AI: The New Aesthetics of Fascism by Gareth Watkins.
Excellent read, thank you for sharing.
People seem to be assuming that... But no, it's not that I want it, it's that, as far as I can tell, there's no going back. The first iterations of the technology are here, and it's only going to progress from here. The whole thing might flop, our models might turn out useless in the long run, but people will continue developing things and improving it. It doesn't matter what I want, somebody is gonna do that.
I know neurons in neural networks aren't like real neurons, don't worry, though it's also not literally just "holds a number from 0 to 1", that's oversimplifying a bit - it is inspired by actual neurons, in the way that they have a lot of connections that are tweaked bit by bit to match patterns. No idea if we might need a more advanced fundamental model to build on soon, but so far they're already doing incredible things.
I don't quite share the hatred, but I agree. The meaning stretches all the way to NPC behavior in games. Not long ago things like neural network face and text recognition were exciting "AI", but now that's been dropped and the word has new meanings.
Yup, but that applies to our brains same as it does for computers. We can't know if a program will halt any more than a computer can - we just have good heuristics based on understanding of code. This isn't a problem of computer design or fuzzy logic or something, it's a universal mathematical incomputability, so I don't think it matters here.
In this sense, anything that a human can think up could be reproduced by a computer, since if we can compute it, so could a program.
Sure, we absolutely could talk about unicorns, and could make unicorns, if we ignore the whole whimsical magical side they tend to have in stories 😛
I don't think anything I'm saying is far off in the realm of science fiction, I feel like we don't need anything unrealistic, like new superconductors or amazing power supplies, just time to refine the hardware and software on par with current technology. It's scary, but I do hope either the law catches up before things progress too far or, frankly, a major breakthrough doesn't happen in my lifetime.
Edit: Right, I also didn't fit that in my reply - thanks for being civil, some people seem to go straight to mocking me for believing things they made up because I'm not sitting in the bandwagon of "it'll never happen", it's pretty depressing how the discourse is divided into complete extremes