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[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 103 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Also the church tried its best to alienate deaf children and destroyed any kind of sign language they came across. Because “they can’t hear gods words”.*

Your made up god sucks. And so do you.

*) I mixed things up. It’s about “confessing aloud”

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Thw legacy remains. I'm hard of hearing and my parents were told not to teach me sign as a kid because I would only sign and lose my English. Like first of all, spoken English is so common it wasnt going to happen. Secondly, seriously that's a terrible reason to deny a language.

Then as my country has been crumbling my entire adult life I've been more focused on foreign spoken languages than sign because I'm pretty sure Germany won't take "sure i can't speak or read German, but i can sign the fuck out of it"

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Apparently there is an International Sign language. That may or may not be useful depending on where you are, also American Sign language is used in several countries other than the US. Though nowhere in Europe it seems looking at the map

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Sign_Language#Varieties

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I haven't heard of this but also wouldn't be surprised if a church did this. Is there any source on this one?

[–] rustyfish@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I read it in a book series about learning the German sign language. This one if it’s any help. ~~But I can’t find any sources online accept~~ Fuck that I found it:

The church barred deaf people from Holy Communion because they could not confess aloud. Deaf people were also prohibited from inheriting their family's wealth […]

Oralism provided members of the privileged classes with deaf children a way to channel their children's education and an opportunity to keep them away from the deaf community. Speaking has been associated with the higher classes and higher intellect, and the perception of signing has been the opposite.

US Bonus:

Bell also believed that sign language was an instrument of imprisonment and that its use prevented the "gesturer" from being a "true American".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oralism

The entire article is infuriating.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

And if anyone wants to know why the deaf are kinda dicks about it, this and it's legacy is why

[–] slappypantsgo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

Human beings are pathetic.

[–] Dasus@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Those choirboyfuckers. They don't hear god either, they read about him. With their eyes.