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To be real clear, the only thing this does is screw over the hourly employees trying to survive on tips.
It does absolutely nothing to the business, they don't care, at all. It doesn't impact them in the slightest.
Yes, by law, if someone makes so little in tips that they would be getting paid below minimum wage the business is supposed to make up the difference.
Assuming that happens for the entire shift.
In practice, by all accounts... That pretty much never happens.
Sounds like a great way to make an angry hourly employee into an ardent anti trump voter.
In theory, yes, but in reality it's a religious cult. The majority of his followers won't abandon him no matter how much abuse they suffer from him and their fellow cultists.
Yeah but by continuing to support the tipping system, nothing will ever change. The best thing to do is stop giving business to restaurants with a tipping culture.
If enough people refuse to eat at these places, eventually employees will start quitting and restaurant owners will have to start paying their workers a decent wage.
There are plenty of restaurants with delicious high-quality food and no tips accepted. You don't have to be waited on by a server.
While your plan is good in theory, how many places like this have you found? I have ran into a grand total of zero. It's hard to support businesses doing it a better way when you can't find any.
I guess the issue then is your definition of fast food. I wouldn't count the majority of those because they're fast food.
Well allow me to clarify, then: My definition is cheap junk that is available fast. Many of the restaurants I listed might be fast, but not all of them are cheap processed junk. You can't call Panera junk, for example.
Yes you can. It's fast food. Just slightly more upscale fast food.
Damnit I should have said Flower Child. Regardless, I deleted my comment cause they were bad examples anyway. You're right. Eat at local restaurants instead of chains if you want healthy. There are plenty where you can walk up to the counter and order without having to tip anyone.
I guess I missed that you're intentionally avoiding places with waiters/servers. That's what I had in mind. I've visited plenty of places that don't have a tip jar out or activate the tipping feature on the credit card machine. I don't really consider them making progress away from the wild tipping culture we currently have. They just haven't fallen into the ridiculous yet. I get what you're saying now.
Ultimately, nothing's going to change unless something changes on the state or federal level. My state tried instituting a minimum wage that included waiters, but restaurants put up such a stink that the waiter part got reversed. "We'll have to raise our prices!" Yeah no shit, but then we won't pay tip. It theoretically should wash out in the end.
Huh. I've literally never been anywhere that does this.
You've never been to a restaurant where you walk up to the counter and place your order there, instead of being waited on by a server? Really? (And I don't mean fast food.)
In practice, if you report so little tips you cant hit minimum wage management will assume you are (a) lying to the IRS, (b) providing awful service, or (c) business is too slow to justify you being there. Any way you look at you probably wont work there much longer.
And none of those would be considered if no one ever tipped since it wouldn't be one server but all of them.
Yeah sure, lay the responsibility on people powerless to change the law themselves in stead of the politicians whose job it is, taking away what little income the victims have in the process! Fucking brilliant! 🙄
The politicians WONT change the system, so there are really only one option: don't tip, and let the chips fall where they may. If I don't go to the restaurant at all, the server gets no tips, and if I go, but don't tip, the server gets no tips. If I go, but don't tip, at least I still get the food I want, without having to make it myself. The "tipping problem" is a problem between employees and employers, it's not my problem to solve.
So basically what you're saying is that, rather than your idea being a suggestion to affect reform,all you care about is you not having to pay a little extra. Just pure selfishness poorly disguised as virtue.
Wait so they get paid less than the minimum wage? What’s the point of minimum wage if they have to make up for it with tips?
No point. It is purely symbolic.
People are generalizing, but this isn't the case for all of the US. Things vary by state
There's technically two different rates employers are federally required to pay. First there's the standard $7.25/h. The second is for workers that receive cash tips. Employers are allowed to pay said workers as little as $2.13/h so long as their tips and their regular wages work out to $7.25h. If the employee's gross pay works out to less than $7.25/h, then the employer is obligated to make up the difference. The idea, I presume, is to allow some wiggle room to "encourage a more competitive market for smaller businesses," while still ensuring workers make at least the minimum.
I imagine the result it that any employee demanding the employer to fill the gap is fired because obviously they provide bad service, otherwise they'd get more tips. Right?
Yeah, given that the most common and least punished form of theft is wage theft, I'd wager that the majority of bosses to whom it would apply don't follow this rule and see no sanctions of any kind for it..
Fucking braindead....
Yes. One of the many reasons I say we need a UBI.
so the solution if it never happens, is to enforce it, not say fuck it and having the consumer do their duty for them