Generally, people will agree that good systems are good. The criticism I have is going from A to B, ie how do we get these things into reality, as well as "hiding your real intentions."

For the former, again, the Owenites pitched an idealized model that they had managed to get started, and was working rather well compared to other systems. The problem was that the ruling class never adopted it because it would harm their control and profits for the sake of the whole of society. Marx's analysis led to the development of Scientific Socialism, which has had much more lasting impact and success.

For the latter, it can lead to being seen as sly or manipulative. People can sniff this out pretty well, I believe, and causes them to distrust you. It is better to be open about your intentions.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I still don't disagree with any of your points. I think in the future I could be more on-the-nose about explaining the purposes of the bills and how to actually go about using maga-friendly magic words without actually supporting maga-friendly "magic words" (hopefully that makes as much sense outside of my head lol).

I'm of the belief that good leadership and psychopathic manipulation are nearly identical, it's all about what you actually influence them to do/feel. As such, I believe there is a way to go about using these words effectively, it just takes a certain type of individual to do so and the right circumstances and education to make sure they can do it right

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I think my other comment I just wrote here answers this, so I won't repeat myself. Just leaving a comment so anyone who wants to follow this comment chain can see where it goes, if it does.

[–] JustAnotherKay@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, I just replied about the two lines of thought in these chains but this seems like a good convergence point for any readers. Can continue in just that one