In a democratic state, things like universal healthcare are also called "socialized medicine" because it is an example of the people owning the means of production in that particular industry.

That's why most countries are what we call "mixed economies", that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

Norway mixes in a higher ratio of socialism to capitalism than most countries. But they don't export any more of capitalism's issues to the third world than other countries. It's something to emulate, not discredit.

[–] blade_barrier@lemmy.ml 1 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)

No. "Socialized medicine" is not "people owning the means of production"

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 43 minutes ago (1 children)

It is in a democratic state. Who else do you think owns it?

[–] JacksonLamb@lemmy.world 1 points 4 minutes ago

Pretty sure no one with universal healthcare calls it "socialized medicine". That's just a buzzword Americans use to scare each other.

It's not a means of producing anything other than health. Health is seen as a human right and it makes sense even in most western capitalist countries for it to be extended to everyone.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

and in a demoratic world norway wouldnt be doing tax-free extrativism in my country (and others'), so that you can pay for your socialized medicine in a capitalist economy, where the money to finance it has to come from the poor. in this case we are your poor.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

Socialized medicine is always cheaper than capitalist medicine. It's inherently more cost effective for people to pool their money together. It isn't paid for by some rich miner buying mining rights in some other country.

[–] Edie@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

That’s why most countries are what we call “mixed economies”, that mix elements of capitalism and socialism.

No. They are capitalist.

[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

By that logic, socialism cannot exist until the entire planet is socialist.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm not sure how that link is supposed to refute anything? It says basically what the comment above says without using the phrase "mixed economies".

If you meant the power structure and public/private balance is heavily capitalist for Nordic countries then you'd probably want to post something else supporting that statement.

[–] Xiisadaddy@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

"We should emulate the imperialist welfare state not discredit it!" 我不喜欢你鬼。《。…… 。》