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I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.
This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.
Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.
Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?
Ukraine had security "guarantees" when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.
Security Guarantees means putting a NATO (or future equivalent) base at the border with soldiers from all over Europe, anything less than that is not guarantee of fuck all
Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.
Don't need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.
NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.
Almost all of the NATO countries want Ukraine to join except for Russia's lapdogs, ergo: Hungary, Slovakia, and the US.
Not really, even France & Germany are not so keen on Ukraine joining NATO now.
France: "The Participants reaffirm that Ukraine’s security is integral to Euro-Atlantic and global security. France confirms that Ukraine’s future membership of NATO would make an effective contribution to peace and stability in Europe."
Germany: “'It was agreed at the last NATO summit that Ukraine should be given the prospect of joining NATO. A joint NATO effort is needed here, so I do not agree with those who say that we should immediately give up on Ukraine's membership in NATO before negotiations with russia,' Merz said."
Now you're just parroting talking points from the Kreml.
None of these statements actually back a Ukrainian bid to join NATO today.
Ukraine is currently in a war and already pretty early on after the start of the full-scale invasion there were discussions that a country joining during wartime is not something that seemed plausible but that a membership when the conflict is over is something that almost all members stand behind.
You mentioned nothing about it being effective immediately in your initial comment and only claimed that virtually no NATO members want Ukraine to join.
Ukraine today consider Crimea, and the Eastern regions belongs to Ukraine. No country wants Ukraine, as defined in the previous sentence, to join NATO.
Now you're just moving the goalposts and playing with words. Your initial comment only said
Which is absolute nonsense.
There is no nonsense and no goalpost moving. Virtually no country wants Ukraine to join right now. The best you can find is prospects of joining NATO, or pathways for a future in NATO. If there is a vote for Ukraine to join NATO tomorrow, most countries would vote no. If there is a vote right after the potential ceasefire currently being discussed, most countries would still vote no.
Security garantee is only worth as much as the nation giving it wants to honour it.
With this president is meaningless
Pretty sure they know better than to trust in the USA alone.
NATO is not a guarantee anymore. Trump openly said that if specific European NATO countries will get attacked by Russia then there will be no response.
Yes, the ones who don’t meet the defense spending targets.
NATO is more than the US
NATO is pretty much dead now.
Dang. Anything for you guys to believe "this time!" will work.