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This guy is very very scared of Deepseek and all the potential malicious things it will do, seemingly due to the fact that it's Chinese. As soon as the comments point out that ChatGPT is probably worse, he disagrees with no reasoning.

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DeepSeek as a Trojan Horse Threat.

DeepSeek, a Chinese-developed Al model, is rapidly being installed into productive software systems worldwide. Its capabilities are impressive-hyper-advanced data analysis, seamless integration, and an almost laughably low price. But here's the problem: nothing this cheap comes without a hidden agenda.

What's the real cost of DeepSeek?

  1. Suspiciously Cheap Advanced models like DeepSeek aren't "side projects." They take massive investments, resources, and expertise to develop. If it's being offered at a fraction of its value, ask yourself-who's really paying for it?

  2. Backdoors Everywhere DeepSeek's origin raises alarm bells. The more systems it infiltrates, the more it becomes a potential vector for mass compromise. Think backdoors, data exfiltration, and remote access at scale-hidden vulnerabilities deliberately built in.

  3. Wide Adoption = Global Risk From finance to healthcare, DeepSeek is being installed across critical systems at an alarming rate. If adoption continues unchecked, 80% of our systems could soon be compromised.

  4. The Trojan Horse Effect DeepSeek is a textbook example of a Trojan horse strategy: lure organizations with a cheap, powerful tool, infiltrate their systems, and quietly map or control them. Once embedded, reversing the damage will be nearly impossible.

The Fairytale lsn't Real

The story of DeepSeek being a "low-cost, side project" is just that-a fairytale. Technology like this isn't developed without strategic motives. In the world of cyber warfare, cheap tools often come at the highest cost.

What Can We Do?

Audit your systems: Is DeepSeek already embedded in your critical infrastructure?

Ask the hard questions: Why is this so cheap? Where's the transparency?

Take immediate action: Limit adoption before it's too late. The price may look attractive, but the real cost could be our collective security.

Don't fall for the fairytale.

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[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 26 points 1 day ago (3 children)

This is answered as a Scandinavian.

One of the biggest issues I see with Deepseek and really any AI is that people feed it with sensitive data. Deepseek is probably not a big issue as long as people don't share sensitive data about other people.

People find a tool that make them more effective, then they use it at work and insert data that should not be shared unfortunately.

The risk is also there for ChatGPT and Claude. The difference is that they are not a company from a country that is considered adversarial by my government.

USA is not perfect, far from it, and we KNOW from the Snowden leaks that they can't be trusted. Yet, they are allies and can thus by extension be more trusted, than a country that has laws that force cooperation by companies and people worldwide.

As a European I prefer that my data is leaked to the USA over China. But I trust neither with it.

I might be wrong, and would like to learn that I am wrong. So feel free to try to convince me otherwise.

Recommended reading: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Intelligence_Law_of_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybersecurity_Law_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

At this point I can't say I trust my data with the US more than China tbh. China isn't threatening to attack Europe, and Chinese companies are not actively bribing EU governments for months, and interfering with elections.

But anyway, all this FUD always forgets to mention that you can also just host your own uncensored, unmonitored Deepseek model if you work with sensitive information.

[–] PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

and Chinese companies are not actively bribing EU governments for months

Is the US doing that? What are you referring to?

[–] CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

Musk has been feeding money to right wing parties in Europe and trying to stir shit up.

[–] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Look, I'm Scandinavian as well, and I kinda agree with you to some point, at least historically. Although I have some serious trust issues with the US given, well *gestures broadly at everything*.

With that said, I find it quite delusional that this guy dreams up all these fearmongering scenarios, many of which I'm not even sure are technically feasible, while completely dismissing any criticism of OpenAI or similar US based companies. To him China=100% evil and out to get ya, US=0% evil and out to get ya. And this sort of view of the world is just so detached from reality.

[–] MoonlightFox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Yes, his views of the world is not correct imo. I just saw an opportunity to talk about LLMs and privacy and took it

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Anything you give to a us company gets shared with 850 other companies who knows from there.

In China at least it's just the chine government