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People like looking at photos of food and cats more than being railed for having "incorrect* political viewpoints? (/s for anyone not picking up on that btw:-P)
I literally just got called a snowflake in another thread for saying people should stop posting US politics in general communities. People still wonder why Lemmy has a bad reputation even in the entire Fediverse... Sometimes I wonder why I still bother here.
Yeah, that's definitely a shame. Let's see how it goes, but I'm about to create a !usdefaultism somewhere just to list those occurrences
2024
Less than half, that actually surprises me. I honestly assume most people I meet online are Yanks.
I could see the numbers being a little different for Lemmy, but I don't expect that they're wildly different.
I seem to remember Germans were like 10-20% at one point, but that might have evened out over time
Would make sense with how they handled the migration from /r/ich_iel
I think a lot of people talk like Yanks, or just don’t clarify. I’ve had conversations with other Brits where we both assume the other is a Yank.
Happens to me a lot too, when actually none of us are from the USA
Nowadays, other countries also have Internet and can speak English
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Grabbing that for future reference. That's the stats from 2024? Is there like a link to the actual source? Significantly more US-centered then I thought, especially since one would assume the numbers were even more skewed 5-10 years ago.
Lemmy is much more weighted towards an international userbase in my experience, which can be frustrating for the American audience at times, but also has its benefits.
I get it but that sounds so weird to me, lol
Doesn't seem like a super reliable source. I just grabbed the first result I googled.
I got it from here: https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/1bg323c/oc_reddit_traffic_by_country_2024/
It lists worldpopulationreview.com on the image.
There this statista link which has similar numbers and sounds more detailed, but still doesn't have sources available. Google's AI points to statista.
So nothing definitive. But I certainly expect that most users are from the US.
You inspired me to do a bit more digging. I found the page on world population review.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/reddit-users-by-country
Which lists this site as the true source. Looks pretty legit to me. Seems to be a paid service.
https://www.semrush.com/website/reddit.com/overview/
They've got US traffic listed around 51% for December 2024, so it's actually gone up significantly compared to the March 2023 figures cited by world population review
https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/reddit-traffic-report-march-2023pdf/257621808
Went from 2.32 billion US visits in March 23 to 3.17 billion in December 24, while Indian visitors actually declined significantly in the same period.
That's reddit, not Lemmy?
Would you have such stats for LW? Really curious as it feels more balanced here
This is awesome; I’m too tired to do it right now - but I’d I remember I’d really like to normalise this against country populations to see what percent of a nation is a Reddit user.
At a glance, I’m pretty sure Australia is punching well above its weight - if nothing else.
i just hate the way most people here assume everyone is coming from US smh
Or the vast majority of political spam from only one country. I’d like more of a worldview. Be interesting to see how others have other problems and how it might be solved with other solutions.
I guess I am a snowflake too then, bc to me consent should matter. And while the USA is a part of the world, and also has an oversized effect upon it due to the size of the economy and trade deals and the like, it also can be overwhelming for some, who feel ostracized and left out as if only the big guys (and guns) matter.
But on the other hand, it is known that moderation sucks across the vast majority of Lemmy - it's somewhat baked right into the tools themselves, e.g. removing whole posts rather than merely taking them out of the community lists but allowing people to continue their discussions already begun, as Reddit does.
So you may want to take it upon yourself to either start blocking by keywords (maybe find an app that allows that - I'm not sure which ones), or user accounts that do that, or even find a better community to engage with.
Though I agree with your conclusion: I no longer recommend Lemmy to people irl by virtue of having been burned by that far too many times before. We're toxic AF in this Alt-Left (rather than Alt-Right) "Nazi bar" space, and a lot of the people here are legit those banned from Reddit for exactly that behavior.
Moderation isn't ideal, but absent moderators aren't going to moderate even with the best tools
I mean, PieFed has some really cool thoughts about doing exactly that... I'm hoping for a lot there.
As it is, Lemmy is simply a more authoritarian version of Reddit - at the low level I mean, next to the users, who e.g. have no modmail recourse to discuss anything, nor even receive a notification that their content has been removed. Even while it is also open source so allows instance admins greater freedom to implement whatever policies they choose - disabling downvotes for example.
Anyway the more the technology can do the less reliance upon human efforts to moderate. e.g. to facilitate automated community discovery, so that there is lowered barriers to getting away from bad moderators.
PieFed is highly promising, but I wish you didn't feel the need to go overboard with criticizing Lemmy. Calling Lemmy a more authoritarian version of reddit... that's a pretty wild take.
That's like calling tribal societies more authoritarian than Stalinist or fascist states. There's no such thing as low-level authoritarianism, that doesn't make any sense. The users can message the mods directly, and they can go as they wish and do as they please. It's like calling the nuclear family unit authoritarian, it becomes a nonsensical concept when applied to human-scale social organization. It refers to large scale social units such as nations and political parties, not small groups of freely associated individuals like Lemmy.
You're still stuck in the reddit mindset where there isn't anywhere else to go, everything is contained in one closed box controlled by spez. On Lemmy you can go and build your own box, and there are already dozens to choose from that are free and open to join.
The lack of modmail and notifications when content is removed is still an issue. Not authoritarian, that seems much, but a better moderation experience from both sides would make the platform better for everyone.
Nobody is arguing that and it's irrelevant to my comment. You're simply pointing out the fact that Lemmy moderation tools are not yet full featured, which is unsurprising given we are still in alpha. This is a completely different criticism than the criticism of authoritarianism which I was defending against.
Please stop responding to every single comment I make, if you wouldn't mind. I've had to reply to you like 50 times over the past week. I'll let you do your thing and you let me do mine.
I’m also a snowflake, cause it’s also annoying that people assume you’re from USA.
What state are you from?
That did make some sense... at one time, on Reddit or Facebook, but damn times have changed since then. Though teenagers have not :-).
Someone called you a snowflake? Ok....uh, I'll call you a carrot.
But also, I don't understand the rules for this game. It's a snowman game, right?
I don't disagree it's an issue, but what should be allowed in general communities? If any other nation's politics are allowed, then you can't really just not allow US politics (unless you make that a rule for the community and part of its purpose, which is fine).
There are just more Americans here than any particular other nationality, so you get more US content on average. You'll need specific non-US communities if you want to avoid it. Expecting general communities to not reflect the general audience is a little absurd.
!politics@lemmy.world isn't about any country politics, it's exclusively about US politics (see the sidebar)
!youshouldknow@lemmy.world should be useful information for everyone, not only US citizens
Its nice right now...Hope it stays.
How dare you!! Here's why you need to be vegan right now by the way grumble grumble grumble
Oh excuse me, while I convert my entire personality to incorporate that energy...
There, done! I am now okay with murdering anyone who is okay with, ah... murdering a uh... wait, I may see a problem here.:-P