this post was submitted on 11 Dec 2024
344 points (92.8% liked)

Memes

45887 readers
1147 users here now

Rules:

  1. Be civil and nice.
  2. Try not to excessively repost, as a rule of thumb, wait at least 2 months to do it if you have to.

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also the Russian invasion was anything but swift!

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It was quite swift initially, and if the west didn't torpedo the deal then the whole thing could've been over in 2 months.

[–] ReCursing@lemmings.world 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I seem to remember the Russians got stuck in mud and ran out of fuel pretty swifty I guess

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml -2 points 1 week ago

things that absolutely happened outside liberal fantasies

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

no, it wouldn't have been lol, also there is a reason ukraine allied itself with the west

Yeah the reason is primarily corruption. There's a reason so many Americans specifically related to the state dept either quit their jobs and took up in Ukrainian companies, or directly started investing in Ukraine in the lead up to 2014 and the eventually coup that lead to zelensky being in power. Ukraine isn't special. It holds no real significance for a US company or investment firm based on its laws or government. But cheap mineral rights and a complete lack of environmental regulation thanks to a captured government? That's just easy money that also denies a self made US enemy that easy money. And all for the price of the Ukrainian population.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah, the reason being that the west made false promises to Ukraine that led to their destruction as has been the case with every prior western proxy.

[–] Railcar8095@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Russia promised to not invade, or rape or pillage... But yeah, west bad because isn't helping enough.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ukraine promised to implement Minsk and stop ethnic cleansing in Donbas for 8 years. Then western leaders came out and said that the purpose of Minsk agreements was to give Ukraine more time to arm.

Meanwhile, the fact that it was the west who sabotaged the peace deal two months in is a well documented fact

It's incredible that anybody could be so utterly dishonest to characterize this as helping Ukraine.

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone -3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

the us maybe don't care about ukraine, but ukraine knows that and still sides with the west, why? because russia is the bigger threat to them

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 week ago (1 children)

probably good considering that they would be part of the russian empire if they didn't fight back

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Did you just wake up from a 120 year coma?

[–] random@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

nope, putin wants to "reunite the empire"

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

Source for that quote?

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

The west literally overthrew a democratically elected government in Ukraine to put in a fascist regime. The regime is the biggest threat to people of Ukraine and they know it. This is why nobody is actually signing up to fight this war. The reality is that people are being gang pressed into fighting by the nazis https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/15/world/europe/ukraine-military-recruitment.html

In fact, according to Bloomberg, the share of forcibly mobilized soldiers in the Ukrainian army is 75% https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-11-20/ukraine-s-fight-against-russia-bolstered-by-millionaire-s-brigade