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[EDIT] Inb4 more people try to suggest that I'm mourning the loss of this scumbag capitalist fuck: No, I'm not sad he's dead. No, I don't think corporate murder is acceptable and no, I would not ever rat to police if I knew the shooter and yes, I believe the punishment fits the crimes he's committed against untold thousands of people. THAT SAID...

I'm not down with vigilante murder or anything because it seems like the slipperiest of slopes toward chaos, but what other option is there in a situation where someone seeks to make an impact in this way? You can't just beat up evil CEOs and let them go back to work. It would be naïve to expect them to change their ways when faced with consequences for their actions and then promptly let go. It just seems like the chances that it emboldens their penchant for exploitative behaviour and disdain for people in need are too high.

We're just born into and strapped to this capitalist ride and expected to sit quiet and make these leeches their billions. How else can this cancerous greed possibly be dealt with? Is vigilante murder the only effective option? Honest questions. I'm terribly conflicted and I'm genuinely curious what more reasonable and intelligent minds than mine think about this because I can't think of an alternative to murder in this case.

Ideally, we wouldn't have to resort to vigilante killings to level the playing field but I 100% understand that we don't live in a society where the rich will ever give a fuck about the rest of us or would ever sacrifice their power over us in the name of goodwill.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We hung the "just following orders" guys after WWII.

They weren't personally responsible for the system they perpetrated. But we hung them anyway.

Same thing here.

Or is your gripe that it came from the bottom up instead of the top down? That it was righteous fury instead of cold legality? Because the legal side has utterly failed us. Been corrupted if not outright captured. It serves them not us. Million dollar fines on billion dollar profits aren't a penalty. They're a rounding error, an operating expense. Already accounted for in the budget.

Leave people with no recourse. No justice. They'll make their own way.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They weren’t personally responsible for the system they perpetrated. But we hung them anyway.

A couple of questions for you:

Will you be shooting every capitalist in the US? Is an Amazon worker "perpetuating the system"? Is an Amazon consumer is? Who will draw the line between the victim of the system and the responsible for it, you?

And no, we didn't just hung every German who followed orders.

Again, I'm deeply anti-capitalist. But Americans choose this system over and over, of course the shit will hit the fan, I just don't believe shooting CEOs will fix things, unfortunately.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Will you be shooting every capitalist in the US?

Historically socialist states are very pro-rehabilitation, once the former ruling class is not an immediate threat. PuYi for example, the last emperor of China, who'd been a willing puppet of Japan, ended up living his life doing menial jobs such as street sweeper, actor, gardener, and tour guide.

Nicholas II on the other hand, had white armies fighting just a few hundred miles away and potentially the armies of Europe making him an active threat.

[–] Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works -1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

So should all capitalist of the US (probably meaning around 96% of the population), get shot or rehabilitated? Which is it?

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Capitalist doesn't mean someone who supports capitalism, those people are called liberals, capitalists are people who own significant amounts of capital.

Typically it's only used to refer to the big capitalists, your car dealership owners to owner-operator plumbers are small capitalists whose class interests are generally opposed to both workers and big capitalists.

Less than 1% of the population are big capitalists, and of them I'd support all of them getting rehabilitated once they're no longer a threat, the death penalty only makes sense against active threats IMO.

Though China has had some success using the death penalty in cases of gross social murder, such as when a baby formula maker poisoned a dozen babies, several executives were executed, and they haven't had any baby formula contamination since.