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Mine is that Discovery should have been a series taking place in the Picard era.

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[–] stinerman@midwest.social 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Tholians are the scariest alien race in the series.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

More exposition! Explain yourself.

For me, the Borg were boring until First Contact, where they became scary. Invasive. Not just lumbering Frankenstein's monsters with good shields.

But I want to hear more about your thoughts on the Tholians.

[–] stinerman@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The Borg came about when I was very young, so they were incredibly scary to me.

I recall the Tholians from a Game Boy game I had, but they were no big deal. It was when they were featured on Enterprise that they became scary to me. They're so different and we don't know a whole lot about them (I haven't seen any Trek after Enterprise, no spoilers please). That's what makes them scary to me.

[–] sxan@midwest.social 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's because Tholians originally came from ST:TOS, and TOS had a relatively large number of non-Sapien races. TNG made bumpy-foreheads a standard, and later retconned it into the universe with the Progenitor storyline - probably as a cost-saving measure - but TOS was full of truly alien races which looked nothing like humans. Most were one-off encounters, and the recurring aliens tended to be humanoid: Klingons, Romulans, Vulcans. Cost, a recognition that viewers were going to struggle with identifying with non-humanoid body plans, and probably realizing that fleshing out a truly alien psychology was a lot of hard work; easier when the Enterprise has only a brief, single-episode encounter with a race.

TNG, and later series, went hard-core on the bumpy foreheads, and most of the few non-humanoid aliens were some sort of nebula or energy creature - far cheaper to render. At one point I hoped that with how much of new series were CGI, and his cheap it had become, that new series would ditch the Proginator-dominated interactions and re-introduced alien aliens. Lower Decks did, a bit, and The Orville (ST-adjacent) did a little better than the usual live-action ST. Bab5 was still mostly humanoid, although two major, recurring species were very inhuman.

Anyway, TOS did a commendable job of populating the universe with really alien aliens, and did so long before CGI. It's one reason why I think TOS is still the best ST.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Bab5 was still mostly humanoid, although two major, recurring species were very inhuman.

B5 also had almost no budget. A lot of the sets are TOS quality despite being made in the '90s.