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Afaik this happened with every single instance of a communist country. Communism seems like a pretty good idea on the surface, but then why does it always become autocratic?

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[–] Zak@lemmy.world 204 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Attempts to implement communism at the scale of a nation state have always involved significant concentration of power. It may be impossible to do otherwise.

Power corrupts, and concentrations of power attract the corrupt.

[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

So you're saying with enough checks and balances that distribute power widely enough through legal offices and separations of power, some sort of democratic socialism would in theory be possible (assuming a peaceful transition via pre-deternend legislative changes were in place and ready to be followed)?

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

For a real Marxist revolution to take place, the entire populace has to stand up at once and decide to make this change. This requires humanity to do some pretty broad and general evolution before we, as a race, are nearly ready. Checks and balances won't fix the fundamental problem that humans are selfish and want more for themselves at the expense of others.

[–] Semjaza@lemmynsfw.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It's odd that humans being selfish and wanting more for themselves is an argument for a system where stamping on people to make your share bigger and keeping others down is encouraged rather than trying to dampen those impulses.

Or on the flip side, maybe they seem so much of that philosophical/ethical black hole "Human Nature" in a system where they're encouraged because our current economic mode strongly encourages them, rather than them being immutable fact?

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

People forget that humans are evolutionarily based on familial groups above all else. People like to act like humans in the past were all sharing and helping each other for funsies when in reality you'd be slaughtering your neighbors children for their food if it meant your children got to eat.

Humans are 9 meals away from anarchy at all times. The minute things go south it's every family for themselves. This is a fact for the majority of the human population. That fact extends to periods of prosperity as well because why would I share with a stranger when I could stockpile for my family?

[–] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't say it's human nature, more like nature nature, as everything here seems to revolve around getting something at the expense of others. We're just doing that at a larger/deeper/ a tad mo intelligent scale.

[–] SurpriZe@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't say it's human nature, more like nature nature, as everything here seems to revolve around getting something at the expense of others. We're just doing that at a larger/deeper/ a tad mo intelligent scale.

[–] lud@lemm.ee 1 points 2 weeks ago

If you do the thing and you do it right and you don't fuck it up. Then it might work.