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I think gamers as a whole, though specifically those in niche communities, need to take a long and hard look at themselves. We should celebrate the volunteers that create wonderful content for us, generally with no financial gain. Instead, commonly, there are communities that criticize and tear down every little thing they can think of. They even went as far as to doxx the poor woman. We need to be better, and we need to hold these kind of toxic trolls accountable. Especially those of us who are men, we have a responsibility to call out other men who mistreat women in the gaming industry, or gaming in general.

*Edit: I apologize if I insinuated that all gamers are guilty of this kind of behavior, that was not my intention at all. My sentiment is that many of us do not think about this kind of thing, and less are willing to speak out against their friends. We need to be better about that as a whole. I appreciate you as a person if you are already of this mindset.

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[–] black_lugia@sh.itjust.works 21 points 4 days ago (4 children)

"gamers as a whole"

leave me out of this i didnt do anything.

[–] Beardsley@lemmy.world 75 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (4 children)

The sentiment is that we all have a responsibility to hold our community accountable for this type of behavior.

You can disagree, it is likely a matter of philosophy. I feel a responsibility to try to put more positive influence to the world, and to call out harmful actions. Not everyone does, that is fine too, albeit a little sad.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 40 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Lol you're getting downvoted for having a rational viewpoint and wanting something you care about and enjoy to be safe for other humans to enjoy it too.

How fucking dare you

[–] Beardsley@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Lolol. Win some, lose some, it doesn't really matter. I made my point and am satisfied with that; it's anyone's right to disagree with me.

And if I am in the wrong for wanting a better community, then the state of humanity just makes me a little more sad. Far from surprised, however.

"Your boos mean nothing to me, I've seen what makes you cheer!"

[–] Flamekebab@piefed.social 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

"Our community" feels a bit monolithic. It's like saying "film watchers" or "readers". Lumping anyone that plays video games regularly into a single social group feels unhelpfully reductive.

[–] gofsckyourself@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

The problem is as prevalent and pervasive as the gaming community as a whole, which is most definitely monolithic.

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

we all have a responsibility to hold our community accountable for this type of behavior.

Much like the "teach men not to rape" sentiment, the ones that will listen weren't the problem in the first place. If the people that need to be called out were reasonable, they wouldn't need to be called out, they don't see what they're doing as wrong. So we're just screaming into the void.

[–] Beardsley@lemmy.world 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So, I'm not trying to be severe here, but your argument implies you would watch someone be raped without intervening. Your argument falls apart for me with that context. Someone has to yell into the void, it's something more than letting the problem fester unabated.

The ones who will listen need to learn to speak. Otherwise, why are listeners paying attention at all?

[–] Default_Defect@midwest.social 3 points 3 days ago

My argument doesn't imply that at all. My argument is that you can't reason with the unreasonable. You absolutely should say or do something about these people in the moment, but its extremely rare for them to realize they were in the wrong.

Telling someone on a forum that the way they're treating a creator is wrong is not at all comparable to catching someone during a rape, and implying that because I think trying to reason with an internet troll is useless means I'd just let a rape happen is disingenuous.

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

i didnt do anything.

Exactly. Hence why the assholes get away with driving good people out. Maybe if people stood up and told the trolls to STFU and instead defended these people they wouldn't be forced out of the community.

[–] black_lugia@sh.itjust.works -1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Blame me for something someone else did why dont you.

blame me for not forming a lynch mob why dont you.

blame me for not knowing this ws even happening.

people wonder why other people check out from communities and just go "oh" when they hear this shit is happening.

again.

leave me out of this ,i didnt do anything.

[–] blind3rdeye@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

I've been a great fan of gaming for my entire long life. But I don't play online games any more, because so many gamers are toxic. Obviously there are good individuals and some good outposts, but taken as a whole it is a toxic community.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not a gamer. I play games, but I'm not a Gamerᵀᴹ. I noped out of the "community" a long time ago.

I'm a little curious where she's getting the harassment from. If it's from twitter, I don't know what to tell her. It's designed to amplify hate and anxiety. If it's from lan parties or irl shit, yeah, I haven't experienced it, but I have seen that to a degree.

edit: Wait. Is the "harassment" coming from needy fans asking her to tweak her work for their liking? That's a little different from what I assumed this was about. I'm not going to side with the community nagging her for tweaks, but if she's creating this for herself, she needs to disengage from those types. If she's creating these mods, putting them out online and expecting only positive comments, I don't know what to tell her. This is something all big modders and have to deal with.

[–] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The article glosses over the sexual harassment until the end. She says that pictures of her were distributed on discord and mentions the daily harassment and sexualization from the community.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

Yeah and someone else in this threat brought up that there's another side to the discord drama. Frankly, this case is too messy to untangle. I can't tell if she's being completely honest or if all this could have been prevented of she set better boundaries. Regardless, I don't think it speaks to the greater issues in "gaming culture".