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[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 46 points 16 hours ago (8 children)

At this point in time, anyone left on the platform formerly known as Twitter, is either a fascist, or at least think that fascism isn't that big a deal.

[–] TseseJuer@lemmy.world 0 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

this is an UNHINGED leap.. so by that logic anyone living in america supports killing "foreign" civilians, bombing cities etc etc???!?!?

[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Seriously? It's a social media site that openly support and spread right-wing misinformation, how is that comparable? People have no say in where they where born, and not all have the luxury of packing everything and move to another country, supporting a social media site is a choice.

[–] TseseJuer@lemmy.world 0 points 46 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

I didn't say people born here I said living. so all the people that have moved here willingly support bombing and invading since they CHOSE to live here got it

[–] Interstellar_1@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

I know a lot of people still on twitter who ate firmly against fascism. I don't know why they're still on there though.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

who ate firmly against fascism

Eat the rich. 😋

[–] nonentity@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 hours ago

Don’t eat shit, mulch the rich.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 14 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Because, as an example, some very important services communicate solely through Xitter. Emergency alerts, fire depart, governmental bodies, etc. Do I despise that? Yes. Do I ask them to move? Yes. Are they? Hell no.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 hours ago

Not while you are showing them you are still on there.

[–] noodlejetski@lemm.ee 5 points 13 hours ago

"I can fix him"

[–] missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

For a lot of marginalized people Twitter was a place to escape to and find like-minded people, I can see how it's hard to make a new place feel as homely. Most of us here left another site because we didn't agree with the leadership so it's a very biased group, "just do the same thing we did". Not everyone is in as privileged of a position though and it might be way harder for them to leave than you can imagine, especially if they're addicted to it.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

I love seeing these comments firmly showing how out of touch some/most of Lemmy is.

[–] RageAgainstTheRich@lemmy.world 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

That is just not true. I hate twitter but i still use it. I am autistic and follow very specific things on it and while i also use mastodon and bluesky, there is barely anyone that has the same current interests as i do.

I don't like it but i also don't completely want to alienate myself from people i enjoy talking to and seeing their stuff. I try to follow them all on mastodon and bluesky if they have an account there, but not everyone has that.

I have all ads blocked and purely use it for my hobbies. So suggesting that makes me a fascist is absolutely ridiculous. We are trying to move to another platform but its not as easy as you make it out to be.

Same as Lemmy. I love Lemmy. BUT there are things that just so not exist here yet that do exist on reddit. And i have no interest in making a community for it either as i don't want to moderate anything.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

So because there aren't other options that are as good for your personal interests, you are OK with using a fascist supporting platform. But somehow you think it's unfair to say you are sort of OK with fascism, since you are using a clearly fascist supporting platform.

You know, that's called compromising your ideals for convenience. And if you are American you got what you deserve with Trump.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -4 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

So you're okay with violence for communisms sake? Just want to be clear because the developers and most admins here are.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -4 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Nope. Same exact shit. Just your team running it.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

I think you are confused, this is not lemmy.ml, and lemmy is open source, which is the part where it definitely becomes a false equivalence.
Because just because the developers may be communists, that has zero bearing on the content of lemmy.world.
The developers do not own lemmy. And do not claim control of the platform.
Musk is a fascist who owns and control twitter, and has used it to push his fascist agenda, spending $40 billion to be able to do that!

Lemmy is by the people for the people.
Xitter is owned and controlled by the worlds richest narcissist, who has claimed total control, and is using it to push fascism.

So very much a false equivalence.

[–] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world -2 points 10 hours ago

No. They federate all of their content. By publishing that content they have approved it. And we know that they have had a decision they have made and will continue to make. So yes LW does support violence.

[–] helios@social.ggbox.fr 1 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

That's just not true. My mate uses it to follow music bands they like. The problem we have with X is that everybody uses it so you have to use it you wanna stay in the loop. I don't use I myself but i can understand why people still do.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Ooohh if it's for MUSIC I guess it's OK to be a fascist.
But you know the bands go where teir followers are right? And he is supporting bands that ALSO don't have a problem with fascism.
It goes both ways.

[–] helios@social.ggbox.fr 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

People were already on twitter before some right wing weirdo bought it. They just kept using it because the reality is normies don't know better or don't care. I'm not saying it's a good thing, but saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

saying every X user is a fascist seams an oversimplification.

That's a straw man, nobody I saw here claimed that. The claim is that they don't mind fascism. Which is not the same.
You can take a country with only 10%, if the remaining 90% remain passive. Staying at Xitter is remaining passive about their fascist propaganda.

[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

What if a band had very vocal Nazi beliefs even lyrically, would you still like them because the music was good? Lol that is you.

[–] helios@social.ggbox.fr 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

What if a band had very vocal Nazi beliefs even lyrically, would you still like them because the music was good?

I don't see how that's relevant to be honest. Twitter users didn't choose for Musk to be in charge, and I'm sure a lot remaining users hate him.

Lol that is you

I said I don't use twitter, what's your point ?

[–] droporain@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 38 minutes ago

You know what you have if you sit at a table with 10 Nazis? 11 Nazis.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world -4 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

That's complete and utter nonsense.

There are groups of people using it that have no contact with politics or anything out of their sphere of interest. I am in a couple of such groups.

I would love to go somewhere else and I am on lemmy, mastodon even bluesky, but there are no such communities there.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

that have no contact with politics

Ergo they are not against fascism. Which means they are OK with it, because they don't care either way.
Good job, you just helped prove the point.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world -1 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

I understand you are hurt and angry.

But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world, that have no desire to observe the grotesque circus of american politics. You are in your own bubble of people that think the world has ended, but most people in the world have different worries and concerns.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Most people have the concern that the Trump concept is being copied to their country's politics now.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

No. Not at all. Most people don't think about it. They go about their business and think about their job, their kids,spouses, friends, cars, ... They think about their local politics, not in relation to American. Than if they do think about american politics, they say to themselves: what a bunch of clowns, then they think of something else.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

I understand you are hurt and angry.

That's ad hominem.

But you have to understand there are people out there from all around the world

That doesn't change anything, whatever country you are from, using Xitter means you are using and thereby supporting a fascist platform.

You are in your own bubble

OK, and which bubble is that?
Seems to me that the ones in a bubble are those that continue to use Xitter, oblivious to it supporting fascism, or accepting that it does. Now THAT's being in a bubble.

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world -3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I see that the emotional level is too great for any discussion. Good luck to you, I hope you get a moment for yourself and have a nice rest of the day.

Good bye.

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago

I see you are unable to actually argue your point, and instead choose to continue with the ad hominem.
I'm still interested to hear what bubble it is you consider me to be in?

[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

...but there are no such communities there

“Be the change you want to see in the world.” ;-)

[–] PixelatedSaturn@lemmy.world 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes, that's why I wrote that I'm here. But it's not happening. Maybe something will change in the future, but at this moment there is nothing anyone can to do, to move these communities.

[–] oce@jlai.lu 0 points 15 hours ago

There are a lot of people and organizations that are just slow to move and don't really know where to go.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee -4 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Bullshit. I have an account on X since it was Twitter. No post, no followed people, no follower. I don't use my timeline. I just use it because many dealers use it as a channel to communicate with customers through DM. I'm a a fascist?

[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 25 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Stats don’t care if you are or aren’t, you are +1 to the equity that Twitter uses to get money through advertisers, which gets funnelled to Elon and his interests, and now Trump. This leads to reducing your overall opportunities through fascism that contribute to you finding comfort in what your dealer is supplying you. Quit hitting yourself.

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee -5 points 15 hours ago

Hope every single people on this thread quit using Amazon/Youtube and anything Meta for vey similar reasons. I'm waiting.

[–] wildflower@lemmy.world 13 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

No but apparently you don't think that it is that big of a deal?

[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee -5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)
[–] trespasser69@lemmy.world 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Engywuck@lemm.ee 4 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

That's something I hate in place like these, lately: you're either a good boy if you do what I think it's right or you're an evil fascist if you dare not to follow "the right path". People seem to forget that there are a lot of shades of grey between black and white.