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And unfortunately lemmy.ml is getting more online traffic recently.

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[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 133 points 2 months ago (19 children)

If the discussion is good, what is the problem? Genuine question.

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 82 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Lemmy.ml is run by people who spread authoritarian propaganda, most likely the CCP. It's a real stain on Lemmy and people shouldn't support or legitimize it in any way.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 95 points 2 months ago (4 children)

most likely the CCP

Yeah you’re gonna need a source for that one. I don’t like ml but you can’t just throw that out there without evidence

[–] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 18 points 2 months ago (7 children)

What kind of source can I offer? Photocopies of internal CCP propaganda documents? This isn't the kind of thing you can link to a research journal to prove.

The CCP has always relied heavily on propaganda, and is obviously investing on it internationally with things like Tik Tok.

The Fediverse is an easy, easy target. They run their own instance and set their own rules, and there's absolutely no budget and basically no coordination whatsoever to counter disinformation.

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[–] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Seriously, that's buck wild. I hope they meant "they support the CCP", which isn't a stretch given the various Soviet-era iconography in the profiles of its maintainers (Mao, Castro, Gagarin, etc.), and not "they're acting on behalf of the CCP", which is such a ridiculous claim to make with no further substantiation.

Agreed. Many definitely support it

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Spend some time browsing through the instances communities.

It is well known that that both the main devs of Lemmy (whose home instance is Lemmy.ml) are ~~communists~~ socialists who side with the ideals of China (CCP). Also, it may be less known that the .ml is short for Marxist/Leninist or Marx/Lenin. Either way, it’s a hat tip to ~~communism~~ socialism.

They are known for being heavy-handed with post/comment removal and bans of opposing views of any kind. Viewing their mod log would attest to that.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 36 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

That’s is a lot of words to hand wave away a reasonable expectation as you say “do your own research.”

Stated without evidence dismissed without evidence, etc.

[–] Kalkaline@leminal.space 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's really easy to demonstrate. Ask them for an alternative to Harris/Trump and they'll run around in circles to not give you a candidate and then tell you voting doesn't work.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 2 months ago

A lot of people genuinely feel that way even if I think they’re wrong and it’s unproductive

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’d like to apologize that you felt my response was dismissive. I certainly did not intend to make anybody feel that way. I didn’t have any specific examples to give, so I approached it from an anecdotal point of view based on my personal experiences.

[–] SteveFromMySpace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I appreciate that and I could definitely do with less snark in my comments. That being said accusing the CCP of astroturfing lemmy instance at scale is a serious claim and it needs real evidence.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

If it means anything to you, my responses were not meant as accusations or attacks. Merely observations of the things I’ve personally seen. But I can appreciate your view of things, and I respect that you may disagree.

[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Does it matter who is doing it? Social media is rife with propaganda ever since r/the_donald was such a successful operation.

There are no volunteers that respond as quickly and consistently as r/t_d mods did. Anything counter to the narrative would be removed within seconds, at any time of day

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Minor correction: tankies aren't communists.

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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

"most likely" it's an opinion, so evidence not required.

If they said "it is run by ccp" then you may have a point.

Don't play sophist games.

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[–] TWeaK@lemm.ee 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Those same people are also the lead developers of lemmy.

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Exhibit A of the original dev’s moderation style

Fuck that guy, best thing he did was make Lemmy open source so it can grow beyond their tiny little world view

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[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Using Lemmy in general pretty much is legitimizing lemmy.ml's admin work though...

[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The thing about open source software, no one person gets the credit for it. Especially since the Reddit exodus there have been more and more contributors.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (12 children)

It's not a good discussion when they ban you in the middle of it for saying NATO is a defensive alliance.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I said worse things about USSR history and I still comment on political LM posts when I feel like putting effort, and don't even care about the instance if the subject is neutral. Their users did appreciate deeper digs in what it really was if I could produce some insights. The only user\mod I had problems with is y-tos, and I choose not to touch anything they write at all.

[–] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

i feel like .ml is kind of hit or miss, some of the people on it are fine, some are just assholes, and some are just straight tankies. It's a weird mix going on over there.

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That was the default Lemmy instance for a very long time, so I guess for pre-reddit exodus folks it wasn't more of a choice than for lemmy.world users now.

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[–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 7 points 2 months ago

That is a shock? In my experience political and news communities are always biased and will remove anything that isn't a part of the narrative. Some are worse than others but the desire to stop "misinformation" often leads to censorship.

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[–] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because the discussion isn’t good, the instance admins themselves go from thread to thread removing anything that doesn’t agree with their chosen narrative of the week(subject to change according to the latest ccp talking points)

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because the discussion isn't good...

Bro first line in the meme says "you see an amazing discussion"

[–] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Yeah, but then you see that the discussion is doomed because of where it's happening.

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