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[–] Iapar@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Hmm okay. But the I still don't understand how it is transphobic.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you see why fetishizing black people for their skin coloris racist? Its similar to that.

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 0 points 4 months ago

I can see that. But that wouldn't be "negrophobic" either. Not everything negativ in the context of a group is phobia.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

You don't understand how undermining someone's gender identity by focusing on them being trans over them being their expressed gender is transphobic?

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

No.

Edit: as phobic means you want to get away from something or don't want it to exist. Fetishising is the exact opposite.

If someone is arachnophobic that doesn't mean he wants to fuck a spider or undermine the identity of the spider. That someone wants the spider be gone because it is a spider.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] Iapar@feddit.de 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This whole exchange could be more productive if you could explain your opinions.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

They're arguing that being sexually attracted to something is a phobia, the definition of which is having an irrational fear of something.

Do you really think this person has the ability to string enough words together to justify their opinion?

[–] Iapar@feddit.de 1 points 4 months ago
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Did you read the original reddit thread? Chasers are dangerous to the trans community. It isn't about being attracted to trans individuals, it's about specifically seeking them out for being trans and fetishizing them being trans.

Can you not see how this may look if you are the trans person in this relationship?

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

What do you think the word "phobia" means, just out of interest?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm not stupid, I know it means "fear of." Do you think Homophobes are "afraid" of gay people? What abiut transphobes? In the context of bigotry, phobia is used to refer to invalidating or undermining ones sexuality, gender identity, etc.

Literally talk to a trans person, or just read through that thread, it isn't difficult.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Do you think Homophobes are "afraid" of gay people?

Yes.

What abiut transphobes?

Also yes.

In the context of bigotry, phobia is used to refer to invalidating or undermining ones sexuality, gender identity, etc.

That is the outcome of the irrational fear people feel towards those people.

Someone attracted to trans people because they are trans would be transphilic, not transphobic.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Talk to trans people about how they feel about lumping anti-trans views into the "transphile" category because rather than being hated outright, chasers simply prey on trans individuals and undermine their gender identity in a sickeningly fetishizing way.

Just touch grass.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 1 points 4 months ago

This is the most bizarre stand I've seen someone take online, and that's really saying something. Phobic means an irrational fear or disgust off something, these people are clearly neither afraid or disgusted of trans people.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You're really gonna have to start writing more than one sentence per comment if you want anyone here to know what the fuck you're on about

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 4 months ago

I wrote a lot more than 1 sentence in the beginning and linked a good thread with a bunch of trans individuals discussing said topic. They aren't adding anything, just playing semantics with philic vs phobic.

[–] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee -1 points 4 months ago