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Instead of working to create a cost effective, quick method for users to buy (AND OWN, NOT LICENSE) digital movies, the MPAA is instead going to try and censor the internet. Brilliant move, idiots.
There is nothing they want us to do less.
Let's take that logic outward a step...
Stocks are digital these days. Cryptocurrency is digital. So you're basically saying those should be licensed to people, not owned.
Ownership has nothing to do with the tangibility of the thing in the age of the Internet. And to say otherwise is missing the point of ownership in the first place.
If I outright buy a movie, whether digital or not, I should own it -- be able to download it, play it whenever I want, in perpetuity. If I subscribe to a service such as Disney+, then I fully know that I am purchasing a license to view their content.
The logistics of providing such ownership is the cost of doing business, just like it is for Blu-ray. I would argue that ownership should be even easier, logistically, for digital goods because there is no actual manufacturing effort involved (aside from initial production of, say, a movie).
The only reason companies want to license digital goods, instead of providing ownership to those who buy it, is greed (edit: and control).
You chose funny examples because a lot of people basically own a “license“ of those things and don’t even know it. Especially if they’re using a crypto exchange. They don’t own shit
Yes, they actually do. They’re tokens of ownership that can easily be converted to money. It’s called an asset.
This is why this world is so fucked. People quibble over definitions of things while the rich assholes running the show get richer.
And so many in this thread want to keep it that way.
Oh well, not like I can convince anyone here of anything, nor do I care to try. Keep believeing what you want.
If you buy on an exchange and don’t transfer to your wallet no you do not own it. Until it’s in your wallet, it’s theirs. They will transfer it to you when you call for it. THEN it’s yours.
Not your keys, not your crypto.
I can own an ebook or an MP3, while some services license them many of them actually just sell you the media outright. Why are movies any different?
Otherwise, I agree, if we're (for some legitimate reason) forced into licensing instead of purchasing, the license needs to be perpetual and irrevocable.
You're confusing ownership of media with ownership of copyright. I'm not suggesting that I can buy an mp3 and reshare it (or the same for an ebook), that's a violation of copyright. I've never suggested that buying them lets me remove DRM, re-share, etc. It's a strawman argument that you and conciselyverbose seem very attached to, but not an argument I'm making.
Ownership is not strictly limited to physical items, and I'm very curious why people think it is. There's significant outstanding case law precedent that proves that ownership can apply to digital files as well.
Subscribe to netflix, put up flyers that you are streaming all of Ozark all week for free at your house. Then tell Netflix that you’re doing it. Let me know what happens.
Try it with a blu-ray and alert the copyright holder. Try it with a CD of your favorite album and alert the record company. Again: free, at your home, your physical or digital media you “own.” See what happens.
This guy really thinks watch parties and listening to music with friends over is illegal or unethical or some shit.
I never said it was unethical. I said it violates the license,which it does.
Do I think it’s bullshit? Absolutely. Do not paint me as anti-consumer, anti-ownership, or even anti-piracy. I’m saying what reality is.
We don’t own shit when it comes to music and movies and that’s a serious problem. Arguing with me doesn’t change that. I am saying we need to fix this.
That link just takes me to a kbin login page.
https://kbin.social/m/piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com/t/952608/The-Motion-Picture-Association-will-work-with-Congress-to-start#entry-comment-6130949
just sell me a fucking bluray without encryption and maybe i'll consider buying them for fucks sake.
I buy DVDs
DVDs are almost good, they still have encryption but its so shit you can just brute force it and it cripples. And somehow that's legal, but decss or whatever it was wasnt. Gotta love IP
Couldn't you say the same about video games? And you can definitely own your video games, and they're digital too.
If I have the files on my own hard drive with no DRM or control on when or how I can play the game, how can you say I don't own it? What would be the difference between "licensing" and "owning"?
I can see where you're coming from - if I sell or give away my copy of the game (like literally I delete my copy and send another copy to someone else), I suppose that isn't really seen like that from a law perspective? I guess because there's almost no way to verify that I deleted my copy. I still feel like we should be able to own stuff like that.
Capitalist nonsense. Basically, having those files is a legal liability. So why not just steal?
I fail to see the distinction:
story >> book (paper) == own
story >> movie (DVD) != own
That doesn't add up. I realize this post is more about streaming than physical discs, but the point remains.
It’s bullshit but it’s reality. That’s the entire problem.
And they never ever ever will be. Its a condition of capitalism; give a man a fish, you've just fucked yourself out of one days fish sales. teach a man to fish and youve blown a customer for life, irrevocably shrinking your market share.
I don't think even possessing a physical CD or DVD counts as "owning" per our legal system. No? Even that is considered leasing the right to play the thing at will, but you still don't own anything.
They're spoiled from selling you the same movies over and over again whenever a new medium becomes normalized, despite all your previous licenses. Then they complain when your media breaks or you want to share with your best friend.
They want your money for not doing anything new.
So, what youre describing is thieves, but not cool?
These are the people that sued a kid who broke DVD "drm" so he could play LEGAL movies he OWNED on a Linux machine since there was still licensing issues (i think that's the reason?) and no player. An be he didn't even live in the US.
Yeah. Fuck these execs. Steal everything they own. Burn the rest. Turn up the piracy and make local sharing networks.
good old DECSS
Remember SOPA?