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A major reason that Windows is “popular” is because it’s pre-installed on desktops and laptops. Users don’t have a choice when they go to the store to buy a laptop for doing banking stuff or save pictures from their old camcorder.
It’s the same way with browsers. IE was “popular”, but only because that was the browser that was pre-installed on Windows. The IE browser was complete shit.
Imagine a "Choose your Browser"-style pop-up, but for your OS on first boot. I'd really love to see it, partially mostly for the amount of pure chaos it would cause.
This is a good idea.
Honestly, it really is. Lots of people prefer a specific browser, for different reasons. And a lot of people use more than 1 browser as well.
It could be similar to the 'choose your search engine' was supposed to help against googles monopoly (in eu) https://i.imgur.com/3wS6Sai.png
however i dont see this coming to windows or macos, because of those companies focus on being the only company in the world. but this could easily be used on linux. (even though most users of linux prefer firefox, i'd guess)
Especially imagine it showing the price. If you buy a laptop with windows pre-installed, you also paid for a license.
That's actually a good idea.
In theory, in the EU, as well as some other places, you have the right to get refunded for Windows if you don't want it. In practice that's often hard to pull off in most shops.
FYI: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
What needs to happen is that all the laptop makers, HP, Lenovo Acer etc. start having Linux pre-installed on their laptops in the stores. That probably won't happen, as I imagine that Microsoft pays these companies to sell their laptops with Windows on them.
I think thats being a bit disingenuous
its also that Windows has always been easy to use because it has an good GUI thats easy to navigate and figure things out with. You can sit anyone in front of a windows machine and they can figure out how to use it and what to do in relatively short order without spending half the time in internet searches or trying to decipher esoteric terminal commands. Its easily one of the best point/click/discover UIs as far as OS's go.
And its understandable that it easy, considering they've probably poured billions of dollars into making the GUI easy to understand and use for any layperson since windows 95 began development and the move away from dos command line.
Sadly their GUI started to decline with Windows 10, and I have not touched 11 with a 10 foot pole, so I dont know how good/bad it is..but I wouldnt be surprised if its worse than 10.
I think you are partially right, but I think the only reason Windows is easier for the user, is because they are pre-exposed to Windows.
If you took someone, who has zero knowledge of any OS or its GUI, I honestly doubt that Windows would be better.
It’s the same if you take a person who has only known MacOS their whole life and ask them to navigate in Windows… or vice versa… You won’t see positive results.
Watch out son, don't you know your in Linux land (Lemmy)? You're likely to get shot for them thar words. /s
There was a time 10-20 years ago when what you said wasnt a joke, but a promise and a threat, lol.
Linux has come a long way in that time. Not just technically, but usability wise, and even in the mellowing-the-fuck-out of the community that, at a time, were very aggressively against making things more user friendly and letting people into their exclusive technical club.
and I'm glad for it. Its good for the OS, and its good for its future, and its good for the community.
When people build new gaming pc they still choose to install windows, because everything just works.
That's not the segment I am talking about. I'm talking about "regular folks", who know nothing about IT, but need a laptop for whatever reason. Checking their bank, mail... That's the majority of Windows users. Not the PC builder. They probably don't even know what "Windows" is, if you asked them.
If Linux were pre-installed on PC's, most people wouldn't even notice a difference, because all they need is a browser and maybe an office suite, for very simple work.
I've said this before, but if there was a basic distro that named programs things like Internet Browser and Letter Writer, a massive amount of normal computer users could be switched fairly easily.
The vast majority of people use their computer to launch a browser and maybe use a word processor every now and then. It's why the Chromebook type laptops are so popular - they do everything that most people want.
No, it's because they believe everything will just work.
You can hate microsoft telemetry and bloatware all you want but Hardware and software compatibility is better on windows. It is a fact.
LOL
That's an extremely debatable statement.
Linux actually tends to support more hardware do to ridiculously long term support, stable systems requirements and high flexibility.
Windows on the other hand, tends to support newer hardware very well while forcing millions of older hardware to the junkyard because of EOL and ever increasing system requirements. However it's also to be noted that Linux support for newer hardware has been getting much much better in recent years thanks to increased interest from Intel, AMD, Nvdia, etc.
Depends by what way you mean, but in general sure, Windows can have more "software compatibility", but it's also to be noted that it's a monopoly forcing Linux and other OSs into a chicken egg scenario. Linux software compatibility has been increasing exponentially over last few years, and increasing market share helps massively; that's why Linux going from 3% to 4% in just 8 months is such a big deal.
Anyone building a new pc, is going to use modern hardware not EOL hardware. Yes it is great that linux can revive old laptops making it perfectly capable for browsing and word processing, but for a new gaming pc with modern hardware that i build to play modern games i will choose windows over linux anyday.
Linux going 3 to 4 is because govt office pc. Also why linux have a 25 percent market share in india according to the same stats. Because all these pcs need is a chrome browser and word processing. If you look at recent steam hardware survey linux only have 2 percent market share in which half of them are steam deck users.
Why should i waste time troubleshooting on linux, when windows have 100 percent game compatibility and i don't have to worry about any future games and proton incompatibility. Also popular games like valorant, league, eft, warzone and services like gamepass, netflix 4k doesnt outright work on linux.
Actually, modern hardware in general tends to work perfectly fine on Linux with the exception of a few (mostly Nvidia) problem cards, sure, sometimes support isn't immediately there at launch, but that's becoming less and less of an issue with growing market and company interest.
Nope, that may play a factor but that's a significantly tiny factor. The stat is based on global desktop market share, there's a fuck ton of other factors you're not taking into account. Govt office PCs doesn't account for the 12+ million increase in users.
Because it's localized to the India desktop market in that particular stat, and Linux being extremely popular in India, more so than MacOS and increasingly growing in popularity... Literally just ask Muta(someordinarygamers), lol.
Nope, if that was the case they'd just use a Chromebook.
Ok and? That's based on Steams users base and taken at random, I've been on steam + Linux for years and never once was I prompted to participate in the survey. And ofc the several million SteamDecks they sold globally would be a significant part of that.
You're looking at it far too black and white, Linux has a number of pro-consumer advantages. Just because it's not ready for you're specific use case doesn't mean it's not ready for others.
That's on the game devs for not cooperating with Valve and the Linux community.
What's important is that there are steps you can take to get them working if you happen to play them all thanks to community efforts.
Microsoft is in direct competition with Linux, common sense...
Netflix 4k does work on Linux out of the box, the hell you on about?
You seem to be experiencing a bug, have you tried reporting it?
You are here agreeing with me on why linux is a inferior experience on software and hardware front. You are softening the blow by blaming developers and capitalism. You dont have to ask muta, I work in the govt health sector in india and here every pc runs ubuntu. This is same for other sectors. Everything is done on the browser. Also gaming here is dominated by Mobile so these numbers are surely overinflated.
You realize that India in itself only counts for a small part of the global % as well, right?
I'm not agreeing with you, you're perspective is filled with fallacies, over simplifications, and massively unsupported assumptions as well as unsupported claims, in addition to a lack of understanding of how percentages work. Your perspective is extremely narrow and flawed.
The global desktop market percentage and Steam user survey do not include the mobile OS market share. First off, Steam is purely desktop, they do not provide mobile apps.
Second off, if the entire OS global market was used then Android would be on top, trumping everything as it's the #1 OS in the entire world by a huge margin, Windows doesn't even compare in this regard.
Please use some fucking common sense, GODDAMN.
I am using statcounter for india numbers not steam. Steam numbers are not overinflated by these office pcs. Also india have 1.5billion people so any gain here have a significant impact on stat counter worldwide numbers.
The population of India is irrelevant, the India Desktop PC market only accounts for approximately 13.9 million users total. Linux holds 15.64% in India, therefore 15.64% of 13.9 million is only approximately 2.17 million, which again does not account for the 12+ million increase of users.
The global desktop OS market is estimated to be 1.23 billion users total.
The Linux desktop OS market share is 4.3% of 1.23 billion which is approximately 49.3 million users. 1% of 1.23 billion is 12.3 million, therefore Linux grew 12.3 million in the last 8 months.
India only accounts for 2.17 million of the 49.3 million global total.
If Linux adoption grew to 16% in India that'd only be a 53.24 thousand increase.
Again, you have a complete lack of understanding of how percentages work.
Edit : actually I miss calculated because Linux is apparently 4.05% now, not 4.03%. that grew really fast.
Yet we don't see the same growth in steam hardware survey (which is dominated by steamdeck). I wonder why.
because it's based on a separate metric and uses a completely different method of gathering data.
Whatever suits your narrative.
Are you genuinely retarded or something? You can't seriously be this inept.
It seems like they have some agenda or something. Maybe an MS Windows sector employee?
Makes it pretty clear. Whenever someone starts tossing around accusations like that and "fanboy" they are doing so because they don't have an argument to back their agenda with, so they resort to accusing you of doing the thing that they're literally doing themselves to deflect and derail the conversation.
Gaming PC means video games, video games have historically been Windows or maybe Mac compatible. Only in the past couple years have game makers started making Linux compatibility a priority, and even then its a small percentage.
Until all systems align, Windows will continue to dominate. But things like HTML5 over Flash are helping those efforts!
Most things*
Definitely not everything.